Light bombers and supply transport

[Yaab]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Trugrit


FYI

Sometimes, in this game, supply and fuel can be measured in Tonnes or metric tons.
Tonne = 1,000 kilograms, or 2,204.6 English pounds.

I have never seen anywhere in the manual or a dev post on the forum where it was
Definitively measured in U.S. short tons, which is 2,000 pounds per ton.

Per Andy Mac in post 674:
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Per Alfred in post 281:
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Per those posts it looks like bunker fuel and supply as ship’s cargo and maybe base
Supply can be measured in tonnes if you want.

What else is there?
Fuel as ship’s cargo and supplies as air cargo may not be measured in Tonnes,
but It should be close enough for government work.

LCU supply in the field? No clues given that I can find except what Andy said in
The above post.

Just when you thought it was safe to walk outside. Look in particular at post #362 ( there are other similar follow up posts) in this thread from Don Bowen where the use of the 2000lb US short tons term is used.

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Which is why the safe and always correct term to use is supply points or fuel points. Yes there are some situations where "tonnes" is correct (for example the reference dug up by Trugrit where I referred to "tonnes" but note how I used "points" as the primary description) but also other occasions when it is translated to "tons" and still other occasions when it is neither "tonnes" or "tons".

Of course for the average player who is not fixated on having the absolutely exact terminology no great harm results from being inexact. As long as someone else does not become anal and attempts to prove something is wrong because it could not be "tonnes". When that situation arises it is the anal payer who is wearing the egg on their face. So best to always refer to "points".

Alfred

The manual, page 109, port table. The fourth column reads:

Max Cargo Handling In Tons

Seems supply carried by ships is measured in some tons (short/long). I guess it is the same for aircarft though the game does not have a measurement unit for va lues smaller than 1 point, thus a Dutch Falcon, which has 220 capacity (220kg?) can transport 1 ton of supplies.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Trugrit


FYI

Sometimes, in this game, supply and fuel can be measured in Tonnes or metric tons.
Tonne = 1,000 kilograms, or 2,204.6 English pounds.

I have never seen anywhere in the manual or a dev post on the forum where it was
Definitively measured in U.S. short tons, which is 2,000 pounds per ton.

Per Andy Mac in post 674:
fb.asp?m=1818741

Per Alfred in post 281:
fb.asp?m=2674332

Per those posts it looks like bunker fuel and supply as ship’s cargo and maybe base
Supply can be measured in tonnes if you want.

What else is there?
Fuel as ship’s cargo and supplies as air cargo may not be measured in Tonnes,
but It should be close enough for government work.

LCU supply in the field? No clues given that I can find except what Andy said in
The above post.

Just when you thought it was safe to walk outside. Look in particular at post #362 ( there are other similar follow up posts) in this thread from Don Bowen where the use of the 2000lb US short tons term is used.

tm.asp?m=1910523&mpage=13&key=small%2Ccraft#2075792

Which is why the safe and always correct term to use is supply points or fuel points. Yes there are some situations where "tonnes" is correct (for example the reference dug up by Trugrit where I referred to "tonnes" but note how I used "points" as the primary description) but also other occasions when it is translated to "tons" and still other occasions when it is neither "tonnes" or "tons".

Of course for the average player who is not fixated on having the absolutely exact terminology no great harm results from being inexact. As long as someone else does not become anal and attempts to prove something is wrong because it could not be "tonnes". When that situation arises it is the anal payer who is wearing the egg on their face. So best to always refer to "points".

Alfred

The manual, page 109, port table. The fourth column reads:

Max Cargo Handling In Tons

Seems supply carried by ships is measured in some tons (short/long). I guess it is the same for aircarft though the game does not have a measurement unit for va lues smaller than 1 point, thus a Dutch Falcon, which has 220 capacity (220kg?) can transport 1 ton of supplies.

I was an Air Transport Officer, responsible for loading aircraft. The standard for measuring cargo, aircraft equipment and even the empty aircraft itself was pounds.
Exact weight and balance is so critical that, even on a C-5 Galaxy, tons is too coarse a unit.
But I could agree that kegs is a usable unit, providing they are mounted centreline or in equal numbers on the wing load points. [:)]

[paradigmblue]

ORIGINAL: Dili

I think Vincent had some space otherwise no, they wouldn't do transport. Il-2 was an attack plane, i would call it more of a fighter bomber unable to fight other aircraft than a bomber. Some planes had supply pods but i doubt any of the listed had.

In game they do all right versus fighters as well. If you field them in 42 you don't even need escorts - the Il-2 will shoot down the CAP as well as bomb the hex if they're going up against Oscar Is or A6M2s. Later Japanese fighters give them a tougher time.

[jmalter]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

Not just to Malta, they used them to fly beer into France after D-Day as well.

Well gotta keep the troops happy.[:)]

& not only the troops, but sailors as well. The Royal Navy converted the liner Menestheus into an 'amenities ship', adding a sea-going brewery w/ a capacity of 250 British (= 350 American) barrels/week. She had previously been converted to an auxiliary mine-layer, & was modified at Vancouver in late '44 to join the RN fleet supply train, sailing under the Red Ensign (RFA merchant navy, w/ RN & NAAFI as part of her crew).

ALas, I only found apocryphal stories of her late-war/post-war service, she was returned to her Blue Funnel Lines owners in '46.

http://allaboutbeer.com/article/a-float ... tokyo-bay/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Menestheus_(M93)

[Yaab]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I was an Air Transport Officer, responsible for loading aircraft. The standard for measuring cargo, aircraft equipment and even the empty aircraft itself was pounds.
Exact weight and balance is so critical that, even on a C-5 Galaxy, tons is too coarse a unit.
But I could agree that kegs is a usable unit, providing they are mounted centreline or in equal numbers on the wing load points. [:)]
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Assume 1 supply point can rougly translate to 1000 kg/2200 lb. The game cannot represent 0.5 supply point in supply calculations not to mention the lower values. The Dutch Falcon with its 220kg/484 lbs capacity transports 1 supply point instead of 0.25 supply point.

It still a great game though.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I was an Air Transport Officer, responsible for loading aircraft. The standard for measuring cargo, aircraft equipment and even the empty aircraft itself was pounds.
Exact weight and balance is so critical that, even on a C-5 Galaxy, tons is too coarse a unit.
But I could agree that kegs is a usable unit, providing they are mounted centreline or in equal numbers on the wing load points. [:)]

Assume 1 supply point can rougly translate to 1000 kg/2200 lb. The game cannot represent 0.5 supply point in supply calculations not to mention the lower values. The Dutch Falcon with its 220kg/484 lbs capacity transports 1 supply point instead of 0.25 supply point.

It still a great game though.
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Alfred has made it clear that a supply point does NOT have a single value of around 2000/2200 lbs. It varies according to the circumstances, so for an aircraft load the weight of a supply point is much less. It is just much simpler to accept the game's supply point value and don't worry about converting it to a weight.
Presumably the aircraft were given essentials like food and first aid supplies, and only small arms ammo to carry.