Spain and Turkey...and Greece?

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: tom730

Sorry! I meant to say "has conquered France" not "Spain" - my chemo brain at work I'm afraid! BTW, I'd especially love to hear responses from players in Spain! One Spanish player mentioned he has used a house rule where Germany has to pay 15 BPs to activate Spain, so I'd love to get feedback from members that have read the most current writings on war-time Spain!

ORIGINAL: juntoalmar




I don't understand this. If the Axis has conquered Spain, how can Spain enter as an Axis ally? After Spain is conquered, does it have any units left?

It was me, I was told it was an optional, and I just checked with the friend who knows more about rules in the group and he says it was an optional form one annual. Edit: ¿POLIF?

The rule was:

- You need to have "Vichyed" France,
- take Gibraltar
- and then you can pay 2 Chits (=30 BP) IIRW, and cede Gibraltar to Spain.

Then Spanish allies and the Med is a nazi-fascist lake.

That might have been the rule several rules versions ago, although I expect Gibraltar was not part of it. As an optional it probably represented the price paid to Franco to allow German units to transit Spain and to become an axis ally.

My suspicion is based on the present rule in RAW7 (which is what MWiF is coded to). It reads: "An Axis major power can declare that Spain is aligning with it during any Axis declaration of war step if Spain is neutral and a unit from that Axis major power occupies Gibraltar. Once aligned, Gibraltar becomes part of the Spanish home country."

So why pay the high price to get at Gibraltar when you already control it and can align Spain anyway?

[Joseignacio]

Yes, maybe I remember that wrong. Gibraltar could be out of the equation and be the original way to aligns spain, while Vichy + 2 OFF would be the alternate. I'll edit this later today if I can, after checking.

[Gendarme]

Years ago, I proposed a rule to the Yahoo groups Wif forum that allowed for Greece to be aligned to the Major Power that conquered and ceded European Turkey (Istanbul/Constantinople) to Greece, similar to Spain aligning with the Axis Major Power that conquers and ceded Gibraltar.

I think that Greece wouldn't be able to resist such a massive bribe to join the War at Turkey's expense, based on that ongoing Greek/Turk love fest that had had its latest expression in the Greco-Roman Turkish War of 1922.

I will expand on the proposal thus:

If the Axis attempt to align Greece by ceding the Turkish hexes west of the straits, then Suez and Gibraltar must already be Axis controlled, and Turkey conquered. This could represent the Greek politicians realizing they are completely isolated from Allied support in case of an Axis invasion, or Allied reprisals for joining the Axis, so they may as well join.

The Allies can align Greece by ceding European Turkey if Turkey has already been aligned by the Axis with 4 German corps on the Russo-Turkish border (Turkey thus being at war with the Allies), and the Allies have conquered those hexes of European Turkey. An unlikely scenario if the Axis has aligned Turkey in the first place, but the Allies have been known to make roaring comebacks in this game.

I fully realize this proposal cannot be implemented for the latest Wif Collectors Edition, nor coded for this computer game; just throwing some ideas out there.