Hungarian Marauders

[Telemecus]

What are the triggers which will lead to the home Hungarian armies being unfrozen in 1941? The following from the manual is not correct

ORIGINAL: manual
If the Soviets capture a Hungarian or Rumanian town either West of hex column 60 or south of hex row 110, then all of these Axis Allied units on the map are unfrozen

Here is an example of where we can see it is not correct.

ORIGINAL: glvaca, Glvaca v Panzerjeager Hortlund
However, at the beginning of T3 I see this and all Axis allies are still frozen: This is clearly West of X60.

I managed to find some partial clues as to what it is

ORIGINAL: Telemecus, Glvaca v Panzerjeager Hortlund

Did a test of a game playing myself doing nothing but invading Hungary taking 1 town a turn. Nothing happened when I took Munkacs and Ungvar with in supply troops. However two turns after I also took Huszt Hungarian home forces finally activated. Just reading up on the history, the first two towns were taken from Czechoslovakia in the 30s. The third was as well but has a history of being in Rumania too.

Clearly some players do know what the real trigger is, and can use it in advantage against someone who does not. Could the rest of us know what it is now?

[Telemecus]

Bumping this in case someone now knows the answer? Or is prepared to tell us now...

[ericv]

First of all:

Capturing the towns mentioned in your post, Ungvar and Munkacz, will most certainly trigger an Hungarian activation.

Let me explain:

On the soviet turn 1, a soviet unit will switch Ungvar to Soviet control.

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At first sight on German turn 2, nothing happened.

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If you just continue doing nothing and end the turn, we first get the soviet turn 2. Nothing has changed. Ungvar still is under soviet control. But..

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Then, on the German turn 3, the Hungarians finally wake up to the harsh reality of Soviet occupation and mobilize en masse.

[ericv]

So it just takes a little patience for the Hungarians to activate.

[ericv]

On the rumanian border. You can capture the following 3 towns without anything activating. In this instance, I cleared the axis away, and captured the 3 rumanian towns (Stepanesti, Borosani and Sipote) on soviet turn 2.

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Then on German turn 4, nothing activates.

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If you capture the village Dorohoi (59,97) however, after two turns the Hungarians will activate. Not the Rumanians. They will never activate. The Italians however will activate together with the Hungarians in every scenario.

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The accompanying axis turn 4. Note the activated Hungarians and still inactive Rumanians. The Italians in the southwest of the map have activated as well.

[ericv]

So. In general.

If you capture an Hungarian or Rumanian Town west of 60 (not including 60) or south of 100 (not including 100), 2 turns later the Italians and the Hungarians will activate, but not the Rumanians.

[ericv]

If the soviets, by some skillful maneuvering, succeed in capturing both Warsaw and Berlin on turn 2...

[ericv]

neither the Italians or the Hungarians, unreliable as they were, will stand up for the defense of their german allies.

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Nor will they stand up for their Slovakian brothers in arms.

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Or care much about Yugoslavia.

[ericv]

I checked Finland as well. Again nothing happened. So, to summarize:

If you capture an Hungarian or Rumanian Town, (only one of these two nationalities), where the coordinates of the town must satisfy either X < 60 or Y > 100, then 2 turns later the Armies of the Italians and Hungarians will activate

[ericv]

Or if you will:

public int itmpTurn = 0;
public bool bActivateAxisAllies = 0;
If (Town.Nationality.Switched == 1)
{
If (Town.Nationality.Original == Rumanian || Town.Nationality.Original == Hungarian)
{
If (Town.Location.West < 60 || Town.Location.South > 100)
{
bActivateAxisAllies = 1;
itmpTrn = Game.CurrentTurn + 2;
}
}
}

If(bActivateAxisAllies && Game.CurrentTurn == itmpTrn)
{
Hungary.ArmedForces.ActivateAll();
Italy.ArmedForces.ActivateAll();
}

[tyronec]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this only applies if the captured towns are in supply.
There have been games were several towns have been captured from the L'Vov pocket with no reaction.

[Telemecus]

ORIGINAL: tyronec

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this only applies if the captured towns are in supply.
There have been games were several towns have been captured from the L'Vov pocket with no reaction.

Yes indeed the original AAR this sprang from tm.asp?m=4290822&mpage=4&key= quite clearly shows the towns captured and no trigger for many turns after that. Even with patience for many more than two turns nothing. But I guess you have the secret exception too. The trigger will not work if the troops doing the capturing are isolated? Or that the towns have to be not just captured but not isolated from the Soviet Union?