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ORIGINAL: mind_messing
Fast forwarding through turn after turn of endless bombing raids isn't amazing fun.
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
As an Allied player in 1942, I need only bide my time until better days arrive. The Japanese player late in the game has no such hope. The two aren't remotely comparable.
I don't see Japanese players whining constantly, as you imply Hans. Mostly they seem to endure things with a stoic sense of humor.
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
As an Allied player in 1942, I need only bide my time until better days arrive. The Japanese player late in the game has no such hope. The two aren't remotely comparable.
I don't see Japanese players whining constantly, as you imply Hans. Mostly they seem to endure things with a stoic sense of humor.
I guess we just view things from a different perspective.
Please indulge me as I use an analogy to illustrate my perspective.
It's kind of like the difference between paying up front for something you have to wait two years to receive and buying on a two year deferred payment plan.
The Allied side has to pay in advance for what it has to wait two plus years to receive and the Japanese side receives it up front while deferring the payments for two plus years.
Yea, I get that it hurts to have to start making paymants on the shiny new item that is no longer shiny and new two+ years later when the date srrives when you have to start making the payments.
My consistent reponse to the laments of "this isn't fun anymore" is "suck it up, it isn't supposed to be fun anymore when the bill comes due. You already had your fun".
ORIGINAL: mind_messing
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
As an Allied player in 1942, I need only bide my time until better days arrive. The Japanese player late in the game has no such hope. The two aren't remotely comparable.
I don't see Japanese players whining constantly, as you imply Hans. Mostly they seem to endure things with a stoic sense of humor.
I guess we just view things from a different perspective.
Please indulge me as I use an analogy to illustrate my perspective.
It's kind of like the difference between paying up front for something you have to wait two years to receive and buying on a two year deferred payment plan.
The Allied side has to pay in advance for what it has to wait two plus years to receive and the Japanese side receives it up front while deferring the payments for two plus years.
Yea, I get that it hurts to have to start making paymants on the shiny new item that is no longer shiny and new two+ years later when the date srrives when you have to start making the payments.
My consistent reponse to the laments of "this isn't fun anymore" is "suck it up, it isn't supposed to be fun anymore when the bill comes due. You already had your fun".
We don't do it because it's fun, we do it because we're masochists. Let me have B-29s as Japan in 1941 and I'll show you how to really not have fun.
That said, it is very fun holding back the Allied tide.
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: mind_messing
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
I guess we just view things from a different perspective.
Please indulge me as I use an analogy to illustrate my perspective.
It's kind of like the difference between paying up front for something you have to wait two years to receive and buying on a two year deferred payment plan.
The Allied side has to pay in advance for what it has to wait two plus years to receive and the Japanese side receives it up front while deferring the payments for two plus years.
Yea, I get that it hurts to have to start making paymants on the shiny new item that is no longer shiny and new two+ years later when the date srrives when you have to start making the payments.
My consistent reponse to the laments of "this isn't fun anymore" is "suck it up, it isn't supposed to be fun anymore when the bill comes due. You already had your fun".
We don't do it because it's fun, we do it because we're masochists. Let me have B-29s as Japan in 1941 and I'll show you how to really not have fun.
That said, it is very fun holding back the Allied tide.
And masochism is why Allied players agree to an anything goes, non-historical December 7th start.
Glad to know there are a few out there who soldier through the maschocistic end game and don't quit as soon as the fun ends.
My personal experience in PBEM was with one who quit as soon as his autovictory gambit failed.
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: mind_messing
Fast forwarding through turn after turn of endless bombing raids isn't amazing fun.
And that's exactly what Allied players have to endure in '42.
Why is that Japanese players constanly lament having to endure getting their butts kicked whan its is exactly what they expect of their opponent?
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
As an Allied player in 1942, I need only bide my time until better days arrive. The Japanese player late in the game has no such hope. The two aren't remotely comparable.
I don't see Japanese players whining constantly, as you imply Hans. Mostly they seem to endure things with a stoic sense of humor.
I guess we just view things from a different perspective.
Please indulge me as I use an analogy to illustrate my perspective.
It's kind of like the difference between paying up front for something you have to wait two years to receive and buying on a two year deferred payment plan.
The Allied side has to pay in advance for what it has to wait two plus years to receive and the Japanese side receives it up front while deferring the payments for two plus years.
Yea, I get that it hurts to have to start making paymants on the shiny new item that is no longer shiny and new two+ years later when the date srrives when you have to start making the payments.
My consistent reponse to the laments of "this isn't fun anymore" is "suck it up, it isn't supposed to be fun anymore when the bill comes due. You already had your fun".
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
People can endure almost anything, as long as there's hope.
We Allied players have hope.
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Well, let me put it this way. The Allies are going to win the war, assuming it's a match between equals. For most players, that's all they care about; all they look at; all they consider.
Whether the Allies are going to win the game is another matter entirely. For those few who pay attention to the game and victory points, victory is probably a toss-up and the calendar is relentless for both sides (the Japanese early, the Allies late).
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Well, let me put it this way. The Allies are going to win the war, assuming it's a match between equals. For most players, that's all they care about; all they look at; all they consider.
Whether the Allies are going to win the game is another matter entirely. For those few who pay attention to the game and victory points, victory is probably a toss-up and the calendar is relentless for both sides (the Japanese early, the Allies late).
I'm not at all sure that those who care about VPs and the game design are in the minority.
And Japan, while it has to care about the calendar, can with by simply not losing. The Allies have to have an auto-victory to win, and that has a date system imposed.
