2x3+ Team Side Game - BOTH SIDES

A21 · Post by **A21** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:50 pm

ORIGINAL: Zorch
This is not looking good for Uncle Joe & company.

See what comes next!

Crackaces · Post by **Crackaces** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:27 pm

ORIGINAL: Armatrading

ORIGINAL: Zorch
This is not looking good for Uncle Joe & company.
See what comes next!

Bedlam ... [:D]

Telemecus · Post by **Telemecus** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:22 pm

T007 Axis Centre

Supreme Soviet Commander
Oh my god...we are SO ****ED on the central front, its unbelievable.

They encircled ALL of our troops. ALL defenses in the center is lost.
The South has been broken trough
The North has a pocket.

Telemecus · Post by **Telemecus** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:20 am

T007 Axis Ukraine North

Telemecus · Post by **Telemecus** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:37 am

T007 Axis Ukraine South

Telemecus · Post by **Telemecus** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:03 pm

T007 Rail Repair North and Centre

Telemecus · Post by **Telemecus** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:05 pm

T007 Rail Repair South

Telemecus · Post by **Telemecus** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:11 pm

Soviet South Commander
Any point continuing guys?! I can do my turn but I don't really see the point. Good learning experience. Well played on their part in the centre.

I'm not very motivated to continue as you can hear.

I'll do my turn tonight but if you you also think we should fly the white flag, then let me know.

Soviet South Commander-
I thought about it more and am not interested to continue. "South Commander deserts"

Sorry to let you down. Thanks for the learning experience and all the best.

War in the East is a big beast of a game and it is perhaps always an unfair ask for someone to continue for long after in something that should be fun when they have lost heart. At least with a team game it can continue with replacements unlike a solo game that would now end - and former players continue to be friends and enthusiasts.

But the point here is not to talk about team changes but why the sudden change of heart from earlier in the game when they felt it was simply bad Axis play. I think the alternative opening for the south was the reason. By not going by the playbook and doing the unexpected it left the Soviet side dazed and confused. Without a yardstick to measure by, different play was confused for bad play. The alternative opening for the south was not a success in what it planned to do, but it was a success as a pysops by just being something else. The Soviet side then over committed to a defence close to the border and lost more than it might have done running from a more conventional strategy. Ultimately it was between how well two south commanders could adapt to the unknown.

The 3rd new member will be joining the Soviet team this turn. The Axis team felt with all the team changes it made sense to offer them the chance to make changes from the previous turn and carry on from there. Seeing what was going to happen we did not want to disappoint new players to the game. However the Soviet team were insistent that they should carry on for good or bad as normal. So I salute them!

With players coming and going of various abilities you expect any experience differences to even out over time. But I have noticed the advantanges one side can get from a stable team. Players from turn 1 who ranked themselves as inexperienced were now looking back from turn 7 to what they used to do with embarassment of how noobish they used to be. Our opponents do not now have the advantages of a stable team that had spent turns learning the game together and how to play with each other.

Beria · Post by **Beria** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:28 am

T007 Soviet Finland

Beria · Post by **Beria** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:38 am

T007 Soviet North

The pocket on the Luga has a breakaout

Crackaces · Post by **Crackaces** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:37 pm

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Soviet South Commander
Any point continuing guys?! I can do my turn but I don't really see the point. Good learning experience. Well played on their part in the centre.

I'm not very motivated to continue as you can hear.

I'll do my turn tonight but if you you also think we should fly the white flag, then let me know.

Soviet South Commander-
I thought about it more and am not interested to continue. "South Commander deserts"

Sorry to let you down. Thanks for the learning experience and all the best.
War in the East is a big beast of a game and it is perhaps always an unfair ask for someone to continue for long after in something that should be fun when they have lost heart. At least with a team game it can continue with replacements unlike a solo game that would now end - and former players continue to be friends and enthusiasts.

But the point here is not to talk about team changes but why the sudden change of heart from earlier in the game when they felt it was simply bad Axis play. I think the alternative opening for the south was the reason. By not going by the playbook and doing the unexpected it left the Soviet side dazed and confused. Without a yardstick to measure by, different play was confused for bad play. The alternative opening for the south was not a success in what it planned to do, but it was a success as a psyops by just being something else. The Soviet side then over committed to a defence close to the border and lost more than it might have done running from a more conventional strategy. Ultimately it was between how well two south commanders could adapt to the unknown.

The 3rd new member will be joining the Soviet team this turn. The Axis team felt with all the team changes it made sense to offer them the chance to make changes from the previous turn and carry on from there. Seeing what was going to happen we did not want to disappoint new players to the game. However the Soviet team were insistent that they should carry on for good or bad as normal. So I salute them!

With players coming and going of various abilities you expect any experience differences to even out over time. But I have noticed the advantages one side can get from a stable team. Players from turn 1 who ranked themselves as inexperienced were now looking back from turn 7 to what they used to do with embarrassment of how noobish they used to be. Our opponents do not now have the advantages of a stable team that had spent turns learning the game together and how to play with each other.

I think this behavior as a strategy might fall under "self-confirming equilibrium". One player, who lacks a understanding of another players strategy, continues their strategy based on the mistaken believe that the opponent's strategy is inferior. Then a realization occurs followed by resignation. A strong team continues to exchange information and alter their strategy. This is the power of team play vs. individual play of the game.

The beauty of these forums is that a group of players will be exposed to numerous strategies along with outcomes. Eventually an equilibrium will be reached with all strategies considered. I propose to you that is at that point that game balance can be explored. That is considering any number of strategies and adjustments -- the outcome is always known.

joelmar · Post by **joelmar** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:55 pm

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

The beauty of these forums is that a group of players will be exposed to numerous strategies along with outcomes. Eventually an equilibrium will be reached with all strategies considered. I propose to you that is at that point that game balance can be explored

+1

Telemecus · Post by **Telemecus** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:10 pm

As usual joiners to the game get referred to the creator and owner of the game dropboxes.

Beria · Post by **Beria** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:12 pm

T007 Soviet Centre

Soviet Supreme Commander
all reinforcement is going to center. Everything I can find is on its way there.

I cant believe they are that close and we are late July.

Zorch · Post by **Zorch** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:52 pm

ORIGINAL: Beria

T007 Soviet Centre
Soviet Supreme Commander
all reinforcement is going to center. Everything I can find is on its way there.

I cant believe they are that close and we are late July.

At this point, Stalin gets on the phone, calls Hitler, and offers to restore the Czar. [:D]

Beria · Post by **Beria** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:49 am

T007 Soviet Pripyat

Beria · Post by **Beria** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:54 am

T007 Soviet Ukraine South

Very open flanks for the motorized now across the Dnepr - with Soviet units still hugging them.

The motorized on the east bank of the Dnepr are only in supply by a one hex corridor covered by our ZOCs.

Beria · Post by **Beria** » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:23 pm

T007 Soviet Air

Fewer missions and more protection for air bases means recon losses are going down. Axis fighter losses are going up

Beria · Post by **Beria** » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:28 pm

Ground Losses

Beria · Post by **Beria** » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:32 pm

OOB

2x3+ Team Side Game - BOTH SIDES

RE: 2x3+ 007 Axis North

RE: 2x3+ 007 Axis North

2x3+ 007 Axis Centre

2x3+ 007 Axis Ukraine North

2x3+ 007 Axis Ukraine South

2x3+ 007 Axis Rail Repair

RE: 2x3+ 007 Axis Rail Repair

2x3+ 007

2x3+ 007 Soviet Finland

2x3+ 007 Soviet North

RE: 2x3+ 007

RE: 2x3+ 007

2x3+ 007 Soviet Centre

2x3+ 007 Soviet Centre

RE: 2x3+ 007 Soviet Centre

2x3+ 007 Soviet Pripyat

2x3+ 007 Soviet Ukraine South

2x3+ 007 Soviet Air

2x3+ 007 End

RE: 2x3+ 007 End