The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_SqzMyLemon_Canoerebel (A)

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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

You lulled him into a false sense of security, shown by him not having a single plane up as a night fighter, as the Americans have many NF squadrons by this point. Since 160 of the ground loses were B-17s, B-24s and TBMs, this will
slow but hinder his night bombings. I would follow up and try to destroy all those damaged air frames sitting like ducks on a heavily damaged airfield. If you do you could double or triple his loses.

Not sure if it's clear from the reports. This was a daylight attack. Not night.

The only fighters in base were actually NF Hellcats, which didn't show up on recon as fighters, interestingly.

Not sure if I mentioned, but at least according to recon there were only 6 planes left in the base the next day. I moved my bombers back to the relative safety of Tokyo and Osaka fields.
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ORIGINAL: tolsdorff

How your opponent would leave that many 4EB's defenseless is beyond me, as he always seems very meticulous. Nevertheless, congrats on a very good strike! Losing over 200 4EB's in a day. Wow, that is going to set him back a little bit.

CR is kind of all or nothing, and there have been several other opportunities that didn't work out for various reasons.

In China several bases had hundreds of bombers, probably 1E and 2E, but with no CAP. Only the big 4E base had CAP. Tried strikes from Nagasaki but no joy. Didn't fly.

At Vlad a while back there were no fighters and about 800 other planes. My bombers didn't fly for days due to weather. He got recon hits on my Manchurian bases and I flew the planes out to not suffer a strike while waiting.

At Heijo only a few weeks ago he had 900 bombers, 700 auxiliary and only 150 fighters in base. Again my bombers did not fly, but sweeps did, and the next day the fighters had tripled.

I have some other plans, but when the concentrations are so huge and under such a big umbrella of the Death Star or a 700 plane CAP (like Shikuka/Heijo right now), there is not much I can do until something is left uncovered on the edges. It will be at some point, but I have a short window to strike.
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I think Dan simply just missed this. I know he is using lots of fighters on sweeps and some as escorts but there has to be a bunch of 2nd line or short range stuff that should be used as CAP over these bases. Just a dumb miss and he paid big. Great patience and planning on your part. You have been a great sport and have back on your heels for a bit. Must be nice to have a great day like this. Sloppy play and you made him pay. Outstanding work!
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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

I think Dan simply just missed this. I know he is using lots of fighters on sweeps and some as escorts but there has to be a bunch of 2nd line or short range stuff that should be used as CAP over these bases. Just a dumb miss and he paid big. Great patience and planning on your part. You have been a great sport and have back on your heels for a bit. Must be nice to have a great day like this. Sloppy play and you made him pay. Outstanding work!

With the emphasis now on strategic bombing I think you're right. It's a level 9 base at Kushiro so to not defend it is definitely a choice. It's had fighters previously, for sure. It could be a piece of the puzzle with whatever all of the sweeps are doing over Fukuoka.

I would bet he also thought flak would do a bit better at limiting a strike. I sure did!
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[font="Times New Roman"]November 2-3, 1945[/font]
The Strat Bombing continues against Yokohama. A night strike. This does get some attention from the heavy concentration of flak there, but not what I would hope.

On the 3rd a strange interaction, as an AMC running from Hong Kong bumps into an undefended merchant convoy. Unfortunately the IJN ship's aim seems a bit off.

Another armor only attack at Shanghai. Same kind of result.

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Night Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 27
P1Y2-S Frances x 9
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 17
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6
Ki-102c Randy x 25

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 33
B-29-1 Superfort x 3
B-29-25 Superfort x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 11 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 11 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Manpower hits 2
Fires 10051

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 14000 feet *
City Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 26
P1Y2-S Frances x 7
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 17
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6
Ki-102c Randy x 24

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2-S Frances: 1 destroyed
Ki-102c Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Manpower hits 1
Fires 9798

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 14000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 24
P1Y2-S Frances x 4
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 16
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6
Ki-102c Randy x 21

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 14000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

And a lot more of the same ...

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Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 44,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 9
N1K5-J George x 16

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 3 destroyed

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 3, 1945
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 82,63, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMC Asaka Maru, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
xAK Alfred L. Baxley
xAK Anthony Ravalli
xAK Antonin Dvorak
xAK Benjamin Ide Wheeler
xAK Charles A. Draper
xAK Clarence F. Peck
xAK Cuttyhunk Island
xAK David J. Brewer
xAK Donald S. Wright
xAK E. A. Bryan
xAK E. A. Burnett
xAK E. A. Christenson
xAK Edmund F. Dickens, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAK Edmund Randolph
xAK Edward D. Baker
xAK Edward G. Acheson
xAK Edward J. Berwind
xAK Edward Lander
xAK Edward Livingston, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAK Edward N. Westcott
xAK Edward Paine
xAK Edward R. Squibb
xAK Elias Reisberg
xAK Elihu Thomson, Shell hits 1

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 17,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
AMC Asaka Maru engages xAK Benjamin Ide Wheeler at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
AMC Asaka Maru engages xAK Elihu Thomson at 10,000 yards

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Ground combat at Shanghai (92,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 25041 troops, 445 guns, 1885 vehicles, Assault Value = 4543

Defending force 94867 troops, 818 guns, 159 vehicles, Assault Value = 2724

Allied adjusted assault: 514

Japanese adjusted defense: 16029

Allied assault odds: 1 to 31 (fort level 7)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1398 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 169 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Guns lost 43 (9 destroyed, 34 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 208 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 24 (10 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Vehicles lost 378 (33 destroyed, 345 disabled)



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Hope he continues with those widely separated restricted land attacks at Shanghai as you are gaining more VPs than he is.  The only real danger from the attacks is if they deplete your supply too quickly.  You would be in greater danger there were he to attack every day.
 
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[font="Times New Roman"]November 4, 1945[/font]
A big combined day and night strike on Fukuoka, where sweeps have been grinding against the CAP for about a week. The main strikes do well, but the small packets are decimated. The Allies will get decent Strat points as fires burning heavily but there is a cost. The airframes lost VPs have shifted in favour of the Japanese and that may be the only thing that can keep me in the game long term since those are permanent points. About 50 Lancasters downed on the day.

Near Tienshui the Allied army crosses after a month or so of bombing and threatening movement. It still suffers a 1:5 against the dug in Japanese and heavy losses. I don't think this area will be in danger of moving back for a long time.
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Night Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 13
Ki-102c Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 8 damaged

Resources hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 11
Ki-102c Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 13
B-29-25 Superfort x 3
B-29B Superfort x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 28
Fires 13900


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 14000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 11
Ki-102c Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 48
B-29B Superfort x 17

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 13 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 7 damaged

Manpower hits 38
Fires 35040


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 16000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged

Manpower hits 2
Fires 59075


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 14000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 2
Fires 92435


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 16000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 43,700 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 35
N1K5-J George x 49
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 5
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 22
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 4
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 18
Ki-100-II Tony x 29
Ki-102b Randy x 17

Allied aircraft
F8F-1 Bearcat x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F8F-1 Bearcat: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 33
N1K5-J George x 46
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 21
Ki-100-II Tony x 23
Ki-102b Randy x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-4 Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-4 Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-4 Corsair sweeping at 18000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 27
N1K5-J George x 37
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 13
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 16
Ki-100-II Tony x 16
Ki-102b Randy x 11

Allied aircraft
Tempest F.2 x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Tempest F.2: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 27
N1K5-J George x 35
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 19
Ki-100-II Tony x 15
Ki-102b Randy x 10

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 Spcl x 15
Lancaster B.1 FE x 83
P-51D Mustang x 3
P-51H Mustang x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 Spcl: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 2 destroyed, 17 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed by flak
P-51H Mustang: 2 destroyed


Manpower hits 44
Fires 35300


Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Lancaster B.1 Spcl bombing from 14000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 12000 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 17
N1K5-J George x 29
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 13
Ki-100-II Tony x 8
Ki-102b Randy x 9

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 20

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 12 destroyed, 2 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 14000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 55 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 6
N1K5-J George x 19
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-100-II Tony x 5
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 6 destroyed, 4 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 14000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 4
N1K5-J George x 13
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-100-II Tony x 5
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 14000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 2
N1K5-J George x 10
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-100-II Tony x 3
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
Mosquito B.35 x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Mosquito B.35: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-100-II Tony x 3
Ki-102b Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 110

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
11 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
8 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
9 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
16 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
21 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
17 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
6 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 75507 troops, 1338 guns, 1445 vehicles, Assault Value = 2144

Defending force 64114 troops, 656 guns, 883 vehicles, Assault Value = 1717

Allied adjusted assault: 733

Japanese adjusted defense: 4300

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1909 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 114 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Guns lost 75 (4 destroyed, 71 disabled)
Vehicles lost 79 (17 destroyed, 62 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5875 casualties reported
Squads: 123 destroyed, 502 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 89 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 139 disabled
Guns lost 82 (7 destroyed, 75 disabled)
Vehicles lost 65 (2 destroyed, 63 disabled)


Assaulting units:
33rd Infantry Division
754th Tank Battalion
763rd Tank Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
Americal Infantry Division
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
4th Marine Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
5th Indian Division
85th British AT Gun Regiment
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
86th Medium Regiment
251st Field Artillery Battalion
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
77th Coast AA Regiment
94th Coast AA Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XI Corps Artillery
87th Medium Regiment
I Corps Artillery
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
4th Field Artillery Battalion
Southwest Pacific
IV Indian Corps
Tenth US Army
205th Coast AA Regiment
85th Medium Regiment
71/72/80 Mortar Rgt /2

Defending units:
1st Tank Division
16th Division
18th Division
55th Division
121st AA Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
12th Army
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
16th AA Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
70th Field AA Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Hope he continues with those widely separated restricted land attacks at Shanghai as you are gaining more VPs than he is.  The only real danger from the attacks is if they deplete your supply too quickly.  You would be in greater danger there were he to attack every day.

Alfred

Exactly.

There isn't much supply left after 3-4 months of constant bombardments by sea and periods of intense air strikes. It may fall in the near future, but I hope the tithe taken will be worth it.
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The situation in Northern China.


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Fukuoka. Ouch.

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[font="Times New Roman"]November 5, 1945[/font]
The Allies leave a few openings in the South, and kamis get some decent results and some get skewered.

Sweeps keep going over the Home Islands. No Strat bombing today.

Another Shanghai attack.

And something else for the
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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 29
J7W1 Shinden x 27
N1K5-J George x 37
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-83 x 31
Ki-84b Frank x 16
Ki-100-II Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
F8F-1 Bearcat x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
J7W1 Shinden: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F8F-1 Bearcat: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Samarinda at 65,96

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 20

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 11
P-38L Lightning x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 12 destroyed
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed by flak


No Allied losses

Allied Ships
LST-796

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kalidjati at 53,97

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y2-C Judy x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y2-C Judy: 15 destroyed
D4Y2-C Judy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
APD Beverly W. Reid, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage
LST 3037, Kamikaze hits 2, and is sunk
APD Tatum, Kamikaze hits 1
APD Ruchamkin, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APD Tollberg, Kamikaze hits 3, and is sunk
APD Walter X. Young, Kamikaze hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Cape Alava, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire


Allied ground losses:
629 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 25 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 42 (37 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
27 x D4Y2-C Judy flying as kamikaze

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 27
J7W1 Shinden x 24
N1K5-J George x 33
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-83 x 29
Ki-84b Frank x 15
Ki-100-II Tony x 13

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 142

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-83: 4 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet
27 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet
28 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet
21 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet
17 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Samarinda at 65,96

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 26

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 11
P-38L Lightning x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 17 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Ground combat at Shanghai (92,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 52035 troops, 753 guns, 3069 vehicles, Assault Value = 6448

Defending force 92892 troops, 805 guns, 157 vehicles, Assault Value = 2572

Allied adjusted assault: 898

Japanese adjusted defense: 12425

Allied assault odds: 1 to 13 (fort level 7)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1665 casualties reported
Squads: 25 destroyed, 91 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 21 (3 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
462 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 76 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 172 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 19 (7 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 319 (24 destroyed, 295 disabled)


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Here is the kami strike. With the ships sunk and the troops on them I'd guess these strikes break even in VPs. I have some other ideas ...

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Air losses. I may try a few more kami strikes coming up. I've got some IJAAF groups converted to the Patsy with 350mph speed and 23/29 range. There are some unexpected bases that still have supply I'll use and see if anything is left unguarded out there! [;)]

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[font="Times New Roman"]November 6, 1945[/font]
More Strat bombing against Gifu, targeting individual airframe factories. A decent showing, but not nearly as effective as manpower bombing. Factories take some hits, but I won't feel the production effects for a while. It's mainly the VP hit that I feel now.

The big event though was ... ATOMOIC BOMB on Tokyo!!

I looked hard at first to find the damage. I noticed there were about 8-9k new Strat VPs on the info screen, but didn't notice what had been hit at Tokyo. Finally I looked at manpower, and it seems the strike destroyed a LOT of manpower and damaged all of the rest. I'm curious if this will now limit the effectieness of manpower bombing here. If so init will make me think twice about hitting Tokyo with a Nuke.

More on it all later.
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Night Air attack on Gifu , at 110,59

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 35
P1Y2-S Frances x 4
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 49
Ki-102c Randy x 19

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 20

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 19 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Gifu , at 110,59

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 34
P1Y2-S Frances x 2
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 49
Ki-102c Randy x 18

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 14000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Gifu , at 110,59

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 33
P1Y2-S Frances x 2
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 48
Ki-102c Randy x 18

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 13 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Ki-83 factory hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 42,700 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 29
J7W1 Shinden x 53
N1K5-J George x 77
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2
Ki-83 x 70
Ki-84b Frank x 36
Ki-100-II Tony x 38
Ki-102b Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
FR-1 Fireball x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
FR-1 Fireball: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 29
J7W1 Shinden x 52
N1K5-J George x 67
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 15
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-83 x 68
Ki-84b Frank x 36
Ki-100-II Tony x 38
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 24
J7W1 Shinden x 50
N1K5-J George x 58
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-83 x 57
Ki-84b Frank x 32
Ki-100-II Tony x 34
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 8 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 15
J7W1 Shinden x 47
N1K5-J George x 49
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-83 x 43
Ki-84b Frank x 24
Ki-100-II Tony x 30
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 13
J7W1 Shinden x 45
N1K5-J George x 46
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-83 x 34
Ki-84b Frank x 21
Ki-100-II Tony x 27
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 218

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden: 5 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 3 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 21000 feet
29 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 21000 feet
35 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 21000 feet
22 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 21000 feet
25 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 21000 feet
18 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 21000 feet
23 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 21000 feet
23 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 21000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Tokyo , at 114,60

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 76 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 118
J2M5 Jack x 37
N1K1-J George x 16
N1K2-J George x 20
N1K5-J George x 51
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 16
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 24
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 32
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 38
Ki-84b Frank x 37

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged

ATOMIC BOMB hits 1


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[font="Times New Roman"]Nov 6, 1945 (continued)[/font]
Also, Shanghai takes a big hit as more troops pile in. The first full DA gets a 1:3 and lowers forts to 6. If only there was some more supply this would hang on and damage a lot more allies, but the build-up was long and extensive. It's held a lot of Allied troops here waiting, so that's good.


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Ground combat at Shanghai (92,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 215790 troops, 2861 guns, 5691 vehicles, Assault Value = 6279

Defending force 91103 troops, 801 guns, 156 vehicles, Assault Value = 2445

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 6

Allied adjusted assault: 3704

Japanese adjusted defense: 11385

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3622 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 199 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 46 disabled
Guns lost 63 (5 destroyed, 58 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5062 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 302 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 190 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 80 disabled
Guns lost 99 (5 destroyed, 94 disabled)
Vehicles lost 237 (26 destroyed, 211 disabled)


Assaulting units:
2/6th Armoured Regiment
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
7th Guards Mechanized Corps
8th Australian Division
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
4th USMC Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
38th Infantry Division
96th Infantry Division
44th Tank Battalion
1st Marine Division
192nd Tank Battalion
711th Tank Battalion
37th Infantry Division
2nd Marine Division
93rd Infantry Division
2/4th Armoured Regiment
3rd Marine Division
24th Infantry Division
9th Guards Mechanized Corps
6th USMC Tank Battalion
33rd Tank Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
XI US Corps
71/72/80 Mortar Regiment
249th Field Artillery Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
33rd Medium Regiment
694th Field Artillery Battalion
148th Field Artillery Battalion
4th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XXIV CorpsArtillery
2nd Medium Regiment
544th Field Artillery Battalion
2/16th Field Regiment
154th FA Bn
422nd Rocket FA Bn /4

Defending units:
61st Ind.Mixed Brigade
131st Division
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
89th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd RGC Capital Division
Shanghai SNLF
52nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
RGC Tax Police Regiment
10th RGC Temp. Division
38th Division
132nd Division
North China Gsn Brigade
161st Division
90th Ind.Mixed Brigade
67th Naval Guard Unit
20th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
28th RF Gun Battalion
57th JAAF AF Bn
China Area Fleet
60th JAAF AF Bn
Shanghai Special Base Force
3rd Special Base Force
13th Air Division
129th JAAF AF Bn
Chugoku JNAF Base Force
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[font="Times New Roman"]November 7, 1945[/font]
A lot of big sweeps at Shanghai. The CAP does fairly well against the masses of USN Corsairs. These have been the toughest sweepers for a long while, and it's nice to see a lot of them go down and lose pilots over our base, while we lose only about 1/3 KIA for the number shot down.

I'll be sending Ki-83 all over to try to hit bombing runs in the next few turns, and then bring them to the DEI where I have a few bases still with decent supply and air support. I've got some more kami plans down there I'd like to try. [;)]
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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 11
J2M5 Jack x 23
J7W1 Shinden x 19
N1K5-J George x 18
Ki-84b Frank x 10
Ki-84r Frank x 17
Ki-100-II Tony x 19

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 8 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 8
J2M5 Jack x 15
J7W1 Shinden x 14
N1K5-J George x 14
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-84r Frank x 15
Ki-100-II Tony x 15

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 43rd Army, at 94,39 , near Peiping

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 43,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 14

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 6
P-51D Mustang x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on 62nd Division, at 94,39 , near Peiping

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 6

Allied aircraft
IL-4T x 4
La-5FN x 29
Li-2VV x 16
Tu-2S x 110
Yak-9 x 32
Yak-9D x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Li-2VV: 1 damaged
Tu-2S: 2 damaged
Yak-9: 1 destroyed
Yak-9D: 1 destroyed


Japanese ground losses:
809 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 37 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Tu-2S bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 7
J2M5 Jack x 7
J7W1 Shinden x 10
N1K5-J George x 10
Ki-84b Frank x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 10
Ki-100-II Tony x 8

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 6
J2M5 Jack x 6
J7W1 Shinden x 4
N1K5-J George x 9
Ki-84b Frank x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 7
Ki-100-II Tony x 7

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 24000 feet

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Pray and hope that the Allies drop a third Atomic Bomb.  If that happens you should change your mindset and go on a limited offensive to achieve a marginal Japanese victory.
 
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Pray and hope that the Allies drop a third Atomic Bomb.  If that happens you should change your mindset and go on a limited offensive to achieve a marginal Japanese victory.

Alfred

I'm thinking that way, but I doubt he will. It has gained some points for him but not done a lot of damage to industry. We'll see.

My supply is so limited that ground offensives are tough to initiate. I'm actually still getting a trickle of resources from Davao through Babeldaob, but the major industry at Tokyo/Osaka can't operate now.

I'll hope he continues to try attacking Keijo and it's x4 with 6 forts and other good defensive spots in Korea and that the air losses points can keep me going for a few more months.

Other than that I'll be trying to see if he's paying attention to CAPing rear areas and deep ocean transports.
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[font="Times New Roman"]November 8, 1945[/font]
On the 8th big strategic strikes at Nagasaki and Maebashi. The airframe factory raids are less effective, but they do manage to get some damage this time, with the Jack factory nearly destroyed. A few others took some damage as well. I have only now about 35 Jacks producing, but do have another 200+ in the pools. This version of the Jack, the J2M5 is a less necessary fighter at this stage, outclassed by the Frank Ki-84r and George N1K5.

Big fires are started at Nagasaki, up over 140k during the strike and still at 28k by morning. This will cause a lot of residual damage as they burn.

A few LR CAP tries. The one over Shanghai fails due to an unexpected nighttime bombardment at Hangchow. He got lucky there, and I should have done this last turn as I'd planned. Up in the North I had better luck, downing probably 25 A-26C Invaders on their millruns.

An unintended kami strike occurred near Shanghai as the very long range Patsy flew from Yokohama. I hadn't rallied one group was not shut down after changing to this airframe. Whoops!. Amazed that one actually got through the massive CAP to strike, but didn't hit. These are fast planes though at 350mph.
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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 10
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6
Ki-102c Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 3
B-24J Liberator x 11
B-29-25 Superfort x 9
B-29B Superfort x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 4 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29B Superfort: 2 damaged

Manpower hits 40
Fires 18815


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 8
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6
Ki-102c Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 13 damaged

Manpower hits 75
Fires 61415


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Maebashi , at 113,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 26
P1Y2-S Frances x 15
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 16
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 5
Ki-102c Randy x 33

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 6 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 8000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Maebashi , at 113,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 26
P1Y2-S Frances x 14
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 5
Ki-102c Randy x 37

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6
B-29-25 Superfort x 56
B-29B Superfort x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 7 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 2 damaged

N1K2-J George factory hits 1
A7M2 Sam factory hits 1


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Maebashi , at 113,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 21
P1Y2-S Frances x 13
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 3
Ki-102c Randy x 35

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 24
B-29-1 Superfort x 3
B-29-25 Superfort x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

J2M5 Jack factory hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet *
City Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Night Naval bombardment of Hangchow at 90,55

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 10 damaged
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 22 damaged
Ki-102a Randy: 19 damaged
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 24 damaged
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CA Exeter
CL Swiftsure
DD Undine
DD Undaunted
DD Ulysses
DD Queensborough

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Resources hits 2
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 42
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 5

Walrus II acting as spotter for CA Exeter
CA Exeter firing at Hangchow

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Morning Air attack on 132nd Division, at 92,55 (Shanghai)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 12
Ki-83 x 6
Ki-84b Frank x 24
Ki-102a Randy x 7

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 5
Liberator GR.VI x 9
A-20G Havoc x 3
A-26B Invader x 4
B-24J Liberator x 7
P-51H Mustang x 8
F4U-1D Corsair x 20
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 5
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 8
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.VI: 1 damaged
A-26B Invader: 3 damaged
P-51H Mustang: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed

PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1J Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 16th Division, at 81,39 , near Tienshui

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 28

Allied aircraft
A-26C Invader x 46

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
A-26C Invader: 6 destroyed, 16 damaged
A-26C Invader: 1 destroyed by flak


Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A-26C Invader bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 81,39 , near Tienshui

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 8

Allied aircraft
A-26C Invader x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
A-26C Invader: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
A-26C Invader: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x A-26C Invader bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tungchow at 92,53

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-74-I Patsy x 23

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 4
Corsair IV x 11
Seafire L.III x 4
Mosquito FB.VI x 20
Mustang IV x 11
Spitfire VIII x 11
Thunderbolt II x 8
F4U-1D Corsair x 30
P-38L Lightning x 18
P-39D Airacobra x 18
P-51H Mustang x 20
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
F4U-4 Corsair x 77
F6F-5 Hellcat x 45
F8F-1 Bearcat x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-74-I Patsy: 12 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Ontario

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-74-I Patsy flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Shanghai (92,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 218309 troops, 2878 guns, 6387 vehicles, Assault Value = 5836

Defending force 86788 troops, 791 guns, 154 vehicles, Assault Value = 2116

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 3852

Japanese adjusted defense: 5833

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4879 casualties reported
Squads: 46 destroyed, 388 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 21 disabled
Guns lost 57 (11 destroyed, 46 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5021 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 596 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 186 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 112 disabled
Guns lost 104 (6 destroyed, 98 disabled)
Vehicles lost 243 (35 destroyed, 208 disabled)


Assaulting units:
2/6th Armoured Regiment
96th Infantry Division
2nd Marine Division
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
8th Australian Division
6th USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Division
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
37th Infantry Division
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
1st Marine Division
9th Guards Mechanized Corps
711th Tank Battalion
44th Tank Battalion
24th Infantry Division
7th Guards Mechanized Corps
4th USMC Tank Battalion
38th Infantry Division
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
2/4th Armoured Regiment
93rd Infantry Division
33rd Tank Battalion
33rd Medium Regiment
694th Field Artillery Battalion
71/72/80 Mortar Regiment
154th FA Bn
544th Field Artillery Battalion
2/16th Field Regiment
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
4th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Medium Regiment
XI US Corps
225th Field Artillery Battalion
XXIV CorpsArtillery
148th Field Artillery Battalion
422nd Rocket FA Bn /4

Defending units:
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
52nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
89th Ind.Mixed Brigade
161st Division
Shanghai SNLF
132nd Division
2nd RGC Capital Division
10th RGC Temp. Division
90th Ind.Mixed Brigade
38th Division
131st Division
RGC Tax Police Regiment
61st Ind.Mixed Brigade
North China Gsn Brigade
67th Naval Guard Unit
3rd Special Base Force
57th JAAF AF Bn
28th RF Gun Battalion
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
China Area Fleet
13th Air Division
20th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
129th JAAF AF Bn
Shanghai Special Base Force
60th JAAF AF Bn
Chugoku JNAF Base Force

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A good haul of bombers to LR CAP ad NF/flak this turn.

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What's your evaluation of the situation at Shanghai? Will the IJA be able to exact a good price before the end?
Civil war? What does that mean? Is there any foreign war? Isn't every war fought between men, between brothers?

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