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Ernest R. Kouma
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An M26 Pershing tank supporting troops of the 9th Infantry along the banks of the Naktong River during the Second Battle of Naktong Bulge in September 1950.
Main article: Second Battle of Naktong Bulge

That evening, Kouma led the patrol of two M26 Pershing tanks and two M19 Gun Motor Carriages in Agok, along the Naktong River.[11] Kouma placed his patrol on the west side of Agok near the Kihang ferry. At 20:00, a heavy fog covered the river, and at 22:00 mortar shells began falling on the American-held side of the river.[12] By 22:15, this strike intensified and North Korean mortar preparation struck A Company's positions. American mortars and artillery began responding with counter-battery fire.[9] Some of A Company's men reported hearing noises on the opposite side of the river and splashes in the water.[10]

At 22:30, the fog lifted and Kouma saw that a North Korean pontoon bridge was being laid across the river directly in front of his position.[10] Kouma's four vehicles attacked this structure, with Kouma manning the M2 Browning .50-caliber machine gun atop the tank. As the gunner fired the tank's main cannon, Kouma sank many of the boats attempting to cross the river with his machine gun.[5] At 23:00, a small arms fight flared around the left side of A Company north of the tanks.[11] This gunfire had lasted only two or three minutes when the A Company roadblock squads near the tanks heard over the field telephone that the company was withdrawing and that they should do likewise.[10] Kouma instead opted to act as a rearguard to cover the infantry.[13] He was wounded shortly thereafter in the foot reloading the tank's ammunition. He quickly fought off another North Korean attack across the river with his machine gun.[5]

Kouma's force was then ambushed by a group of North Koreans dressed in US military uniforms.[14] Kouma was wounded a second time, in the shoulder, as he beat back repeated North Korean crossings with his machine gun. Several strong attacks came within meters of the tank, but Kouma was able to drive them back despite his wounds. Eventually, the other three vehicles withdrew or were neutralized, and Kouma held the Agok crossing site until 07:30 the next morning with just his tank.[11][14] At one point, the tank was surrounded and Kouma had to engage the North Koreans from outside the tank with machine gun fire at point blank range. After the tank gun's ammunition was expended, Kouma used his pistol and grenades to hold off the North Koreans. The tank then withdrew 8 miles (13 km) to the newly established American lines, destroying three North Korean machine gun positions along the way. During his action, Kouma had killed an estimated 250 North Korean troops.[13] His actions in this fight alone surpassed the highly decorated US Army soldier Audie Murphy, who was credited with 240 kills during World War II,[15] and who had been the second most decorated US soldier in the war.[16] His single-handed heroic battle may have served as a seed for the fictional W.W. II movie, Fury (2014 film).

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what are you trying to tell me, considering you replied on my post?

I can also quote a wiki entry of Wittmann killing tanks in the dozens. You think that makes the tank encounter in War Fury of four Shermans vs the Tiger I any better? The Tiger rushing the Shermans and then going in circles? Serious?

Or the way the fight was done at that crossroad? Serious?

If you think that trailer is showing the reality of ASW combat in the Atlantic, or Pitt showing reality of tankwarfare in WWII, OMG.
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Can Hanks fly a B-25?

No, but they can CGI Hanks into a B-25 cockpit, then they can CGI his face into the cockpit window of a full size CGI B-25, then that CGI B-25 onto the deck of a CGI Hornet. The best part will be when they CGI a orange/redish glow onto Hanks face as he looks out his CGI B-25 window from the firestorm started by the 4x500lb bombs he dropped on Tokyo.

which is pretty much what I would expect if Hanks commanded a carrier, not a destroyer.
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Can Hanks fly a B-25?

No, but they can CGI Hanks into a B-25 cockpit, then they can CGI his face into the cockpit window of a full size CGI B-25, then that CGI B-25 onto the deck of a CGI Hornet. The best part will be when they CGI a orange/redish glow onto Hanks face as he looks out his CGI B-25 window from the firestorm started by the 4x500lb bombs he dropped on Tokyo.

which is pretty much what I would expect if Hanks commanded a carrier, not a destroyer.

That would be Hanks on the PT Boat launching the B-25s.
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Ernest R. Kouma
Medal of Honor action

Men sit on a tank which is holding position among a line of troops
An M26 Pershing tank supporting troops of the 9th Infantry along the banks of the Naktong River during the Second Battle of Naktong Bulge in September 1950.
Main article: Second Battle of Naktong Bulge

That evening, Kouma led the patrol of two M26 Pershing tanks and two M19 Gun Motor Carriages in Agok, along the Naktong River.[11] Kouma placed his patrol on the west side of Agok near the Kihang ferry. At 20:00, a heavy fog covered the river, and at 22:00 mortar shells began falling on the American-held side of the river.[12] By 22:15, this strike intensified and North Korean mortar preparation struck A Company's positions. American mortars and artillery began responding with counter-battery fire.[9] Some of A Company's men reported hearing noises on the opposite side of the river and splashes in the water.[10]

At 22:30, the fog lifted and Kouma saw that a North Korean pontoon bridge was being laid across the river directly in front of his position.[10] Kouma's four vehicles attacked this structure, with Kouma manning the M2 Browning .50-caliber machine gun atop the tank. As the gunner fired the tank's main cannon, Kouma sank many of the boats attempting to cross the river with his machine gun.[5] At 23:00, a small arms fight flared around the left side of A Company north of the tanks.[11] This gunfire had lasted only two or three minutes when the A Company roadblock squads near the tanks heard over the field telephone that the company was withdrawing and that they should do likewise.[10] Kouma instead opted to act as a rearguard to cover the infantry.[13] He was wounded shortly thereafter in the foot reloading the tank's ammunition. He quickly fought off another North Korean attack across the river with his machine gun.[5]

Kouma's force was then ambushed by a group of North Koreans dressed in US military uniforms.[14] Kouma was wounded a second time, in the shoulder, as he beat back repeated North Korean crossings with his machine gun. Several strong attacks came within meters of the tank, but Kouma was able to drive them back despite his wounds. Eventually, the other three vehicles withdrew or were neutralized, and Kouma held the Agok crossing site until 07:30 the next morning with just his tank.[11][14] At one point, the tank was surrounded and Kouma had to engage the North Koreans from outside the tank with machine gun fire at point blank range. After the tank gun's ammunition was expended, Kouma used his pistol and grenades to hold off the North Koreans. The tank then withdrew 8 miles (13 km) to the newly established American lines, destroying three North Korean machine gun positions along the way. During his action, Kouma had killed an estimated 250 North Korean troops.[13] His actions in this fight alone surpassed the highly decorated US Army soldier Audie Murphy, who was credited with 240 kills during World War II,[15] and who had been the second most decorated US soldier in the war.[16] His single-handed heroic battle may have served as a seed for the fictional W.W. II movie, Fury (2014 film).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_R._Kouma

what are you trying to tell me, considering you replied on my post?

I can also quote a wiki entry of Wittmann killing tanks in the dozens. You think that makes the tank encounter in War Fury of four Shermans vs the Tiger I any better? The Tiger rushing the Shermans and then going in circles? Serious?

Or the way the fight was done at that crossroad? Serious?

If you think that trailer is showing the reality of ASW combat in the Atlantic, or Pitt showing reality of tankwarfare in WWII, OMG.

I thought that the tanks rushing at each other, like medieval knights, was stupid. That was not Kursk. The Tiger would stay put and the Shermans would try to maneuver around the Tiger. Although the longer gun had a lot more penetrating power than the 75/38.
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For those who think that tanks had much to do with the Western Allied victory in WW2 one fact perhaps will dispel that thought: During the Battle of the Atlantic more sailors were killed and more ships were sunk than in all the other naval battles in recorded history combined (Allied and German casualties).

The RMS Athenia was sunk by a Uboat on 3 September 1939 (the first day of the war for the UK) and the battle lasted until May 8th 1945 just hours before Germany surrendered to the Allies.
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Is it on netflix or one of the other streaming services?
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Is it on netflix or one of the other streaming services?

Unfortunately not. It's only on AppleTV+ so far.
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For those who think that tanks had much to do with the Western Allied victory in WW2 one fact perhaps will dispel that thought: During the Battle of the Atlantic more sailors were killed and more ships were sunk than in all the other naval battles in recorded history combined (Allied and German casualties).

The RMS Athenia was sunk by a Uboat on 3 September 1939 (the first day of the war for the UK) and the battle lasted until May 8th 1945 just hours before Germany surrendered to the Allies.

Tanks had a hell of a lot to do with the Western (US, UK and France) victory. The primary models were the T-34 and the KV-1.

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Tanks had a hell of a lot to do with the Western (US, UK and France) victory.
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At 22:30, the fog lifted and Kouma saw that a North Korean pontoon bridge was being laid across the river directly in front of his position.[10]

That would suggest that then DPRK sappers would have noticed the tanks and MGMCs at the same time. The rapid fire 40mm may have been more worrying to them than the tank cannon.

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Tanks had a hell of a lot to do with the Western (US, UK and France) victory.
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What happened to the Canadians?

Good question.
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I've watched it twice with friends and I enjoyed it. Warspite did a good job of highlighting all the things I found wrong with it, so I don't have much to add in that regard. It's not a brilliant movie, but it's good and certainly infinitely better than TMTSNBN.

The trailer packs a lot of the shooting scenes in, but that's almost par for course nowadays.

The British destroyer was based on the Polish Grom-class (one of which actually did perform convoy duties in the Atlantic) while the Canadian corvette was a proper Flower-class. A Tribal-class DD might have been a better choice for 'Eagle' (using HMCS Haida as a stand in). CGI was pretty good.
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Just watched it last night.

Honestly, with as much as WWII movies usually get wrong, Greyhound, while not perfect, got enough right that I could forgive the rest.
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Tanks had a hell of a lot to do with the Western (US, UK and France) victory.
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What happened to the Canadians?

Good question.

Ian R, I am not sure if your response means "the Canadians were irrelevant" or "I don't know anything about Canadian efforts on land". Considering the Canadians took one sixth of the DD day beaches, and despite casualties of over 70% in some units they pushed further inland on day one than any other Allied units, they earned their spurs on D-Day. Then, despite having less resources backing them (like the lack of boats and landing craft to navigate the flooded polders) , they fought along the Channel coast where all the Nazi fortifications were and cleaned them out. Canadians are still revered in Holland for liberating the country, and saving tens of thousands by arranging and air-drop of food behind German lines to starving Netherlanders. Canadians are not big on hype, so their accomplishments have little play in movies and TV shows, but the Germans certainly respected their abilities.

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SPOILER ALERT FOR GREYHOUND

I watched Greyhound.

I was expecting a lot from it – being a fan of Tom Hanks since Volunteers and Splash! – and really enjoying Band of Brothers.

It didn’t quite live up to expectations, but I would say I enjoyed it and was glad I saw it. The positives outweighed the negatives definitely.

Positives
- The greyness of the Atlantic was well borne out
- The action scenes were generally good (although they overplayed the close encounters on the surface which did happen but were hardly standard German tactics)

They also had a lot of close passes by merchies and the near miss with what was supposed to be the United States. In terms of film-making I'd critique this as it failed to give scope to the size and difference of the ships as they moved. Why do film-makers do this? It's just a useless visual.

The encounters didn't give good scope to the German side of the cat and mouse, but that's okay. They obviously put them on the surface to "show" the audience the enemy, but the depth charge attacks were also ridiculously short and the tension didn't really build with only one real pass over the sub. DC attacks could last hours.

- The death of Cleveland was a shocker – a very likeable character

This felt very early and didn't really have the intended affect, I thought. We didn't know him. He had a limited role, and it could have been fleshed out a lot more below deck rather than so many shots of Hanks staring out a window.

- Stephen Graham appears to be an honorary American now
- CGI was pretty good (unlike so many aircraft portrayals) – the Fletcher-class and the Flower-class corvette, looked to be sufficiently accurate
- Good to see the RN and the RCN were included as well as reference to merchant sailors from other allied nations (through the Greek merchant)

Could have really used a few moments on board one or two of the merchies.
Negatives
- Of all the names they could have used (Harry was pretty cool) why did they call a British destroyer Eagle?? No!!!!!!
- The movement inside the ship didn’t seem to match what the destroyer was doing, battling against the waves, and the sailors should have been battling the elements more – cold, wet and being thrown about
- Elisabeth Shue’s part really wasn’t worth turning up for. I mean give her a bit more to do or just decide to do away with her “character” altogether. A waste of 5 minutes or whatever she was on for.

I thought the dream/flashback to her was fine. It gave context to the battles, but it wasn't needed, you're right. She was just eye candy too, with few lines.

I would argue this particular WWII film didn't need a nod to the home front in the way so many have used. Leave it in the ocean.
- The taunting of the crew by the U-boat commanders….. mmm that was the only bit that really grated. Just no. As far as I know there was no incidence of this and it was all a bit hammy.

Yep. Stupid. It negated the Hanks character's correction to "50 souls" that seemed to show he saw the human cost on both sides. It would have been so much more visually interesting to get some internal sub shots and periscope views, plus some close-up action on the sub deck during the surface fights. The decision to keep it one-sided is oddly less interesting filmically here.

Overall I loved seeing many of the visuals, the processes of tracking by radar, sonar and eyeball, and the harsh conditions up there. Made me get the intense pressure of the elements and the enemy grinding away at the crew and officers through the mid-Atlantic gap.
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Das boot was one sided and it was good. Greyhound should then be fine if it is one sided.

There is nothing wrong with eye candy - it is what we fight for. Think of Operation Petticoat when the nurses came aboard and what the old Chief said.

It may not be perfect but it is probably better than many others. Should I start naming some? If it gets people interested in the war and people then read about it, that is great. If it entertains, that is also good.

The Canadians had one out of five beaches my Canadian friend.

If it weren't for Western equipment and supplies send to the Soviets, they could not have done what they did.

If it weren't for winning the Battle of the Atlantic, then the Normandy invasion probably could not have happened or it would have been much smaller.

If they did not get the ships and equipment perfect, let them know so they may do better next time.
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If Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union ...

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Overall I loved seeing many of the visuals, the processes of tracking by radar, sonar and eyeball, and the harsh conditions up there. Made me get the intense pressure of the elements and the enemy grinding away at the crew and officers through the mid-Atlantic gap.

Speaking of harsh conditions, it is too bad that the movie features a Fletcher class DD with an enclosed bridge, the windshield wipers constantly sweeping the windows. Most of the escorts during the Battle of the Atlantic had open bridges, the crew there suffering the cold and damp as much as the guys on watch above decks.

Sailors falling asleep on watch (from the cold and the monotony of watching the heaving ocean) became such a problem that the Canadian Admiralty at one point threatened death by hanging to any sailor found asleep on duty. Way to enhance morale, Admiral! Fortunately ship captains dealt with such incidents in a more appropriate manner. In the winter, some sailors on watch froze to death.

My dad's rheumatoid arthritis was officially acknowledged as stemming from his service in the Battle of the Atlantic. He got a little more veteran's pension for that.
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If Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union ...

Then the Soviets probably would have attacked Romania and captured Polesti. At least bombed it into nonproductive status.
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