Various unit Errata

[Great_Ajax]

* II./StG 3 arrives Turn 30 with Ju87D5, should be Ju87R - Fixed

* 125 Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
361st Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
- there isn't a separate OB for Motorized Infantry Regiments so these units are using the standard infantry regiment OB and then are fully motorized. Planning on fixing this in a future OB revision

* The RHG Commands in the Soviet Union Garrison are not locked, since all the other HQ's are, they should probably be as well. - not sure. Asked Joel if he wants this

* If one cancels the transfer orders for HQ's some stay locked and some become unlocked. Examples are 8th Italian Army (stays Locked) and SS Panzer Corps (becomes unlocked upon arrival in WE). I could transfer SS Panzer to the map on T57. Don't know which is WAD. With enhanced TB on, it would be nice for at least some HQ's to be available. - I could see a case to unlock the 8th Ital. Army. Whatever the player wants to do with the SS Corps is fine.

* The 533 Coastal Artillery that converts to II/1st Afrika should be the 532. - Fixed

* The 75mm leFK18 doesn't get produced because the end date is 1940. This is correct but should probably be given a bigger pool so account for the some small series of other 75mm that were produced later on and to account for the attrition model.

* The 105mm SK18 has about 450 on map, should be around 750. Production from mid 41 to end 44 was 1'350, the 5 per turn limit is not going to get anywhere near there since the end date of the item is 12/44. Also since it's used by a lot of on map units, the attrition model raises it's head again.

* 15cm K39 production did end in 1942, but production of K18 lasted into 1943. Also production is quite erratic, at turn 74 I only have 25 built. I suggest stretching this to end 43.

* 17cm K18, another erratic producer. At Turn 74 I have 32 built. By end 44 it should be 340+. These should be replacing the 15cm guns in the Heavy Cannon Battalions over time but this doesn't seem to be happening. Could be because there is never enough stock to trigger the swap mechanism. Or the TOE of the 15cm Cannon Battalions should upgrade to the 17cm to generate the demand.

- these are all production questions that I can't answer. Suggest a separate thread to address these issues so that Mr. Wirth (JAW) can take a look

* Numerous Army Art Brigade are all no motorized, should be motorized - fixed

* 388th Volks Art Brigade should have the 403 TOE - fixed

* I/84th K3 Gun Battalion only has 2 batteries in game. This is correct for what is known to be still around in 1945 but it started the war with 3 - fixed

* Some German Regiments are multirole and some are not. I don't know what is WAD but I suggest it be made consistent. I couldn't see where to find the flag in the editor so I'll only list the ones I found by chance. - fixed. Made all of the combat regiments as multi-role

* TOE Schnelle Brigade 20 and 30 -will be revised with future OB update

* I./NJG 5 upgrades from II./ZG2 correctly but the allowed plane types doesn't update to Nightfighters. - fixed. Changed to Bf110F-4

* The Sturm Inf Battalions point to an empty TOE (OB Nr. 2) after the 42 Sturm Infantry Bat (OB Nr 1993) - fixed

* If at all, since the forming was cancelled, the 526. Reserve Division should only enter in September 1944. Right now it enters with the other Reserve Divisions in 1942. - fixed

* Same as the Sturm Inf Bats mentioned above, the 43 Stug Bttr OB 369 upgrades to the empty OB 2 - fixed

* I/KG51 renames to I/KG(J)51 and converts to Me410 in mid May 1943 in the game.

I don't see when the renaming happened but the first deliveries of Me410 took place in July 1943 so the conversion should be pushed back a bit - conversion pushed back to Jul 43

Trey

[MechFO]

Thanks a lot, will push the production questions into another thread.

ORIGINAL: Great_Ajax

* 125 Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
361st Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
- there isn't a separate OB for Motorized Infantry Regiments so these units are using the standard infantry regiment OB and then are fully motorized. Planning on fixing this in a future OB revision

I wasn't talking about the TOE, since I couldn't find anything definitive, but the unit type in the editor which determines the Nato symbol and classification in the game.

While on the subject the German Light Divisions don't have the L Infantry symbol that the Jäger get, they should probably start with it too.

[Great_Ajax]

The OB entry is what drives what symbol is displayed. You can't edit that in the UNITS tab.

"Light Infantry" is not an option for unit type in the OB editor so I can't manually change Light Infantry to "L" unit icons. I believe this is driven by some code.

ORIGINAL: MechFO

Thanks a lot, will push the production questions into another thread.

ORIGINAL: Great_Ajax

* 125 Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
361st Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
- there isn't a separate OB for Motorized Infantry Regiments so these units are using the standard infantry regiment OB and then are fully motorized. Planning on fixing this in a future OB revision

I wasn't talking about the TOE, since I couldn't find anything definitive, but the unit type in the editor which determines the Nato symbol and classification in the game.

While on the subject the German Light Divisions don't have the L Infantry symbol that the Jäger get, they should probably start with it too.

[MechFO]

125 Inf Reg was a normal Infantry Regiment that was only motorized for a time when it was part of the High Command reserve, so TOE was that of a normal Inf Reg.

Was moved from the Balkans to Greece to Africa and became the 125. PanzerGren Reg in Oktober 1942 and became part of the 164. Light Africa Division. So it should disband when the the 164th Inf Div has it's TOE change.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /IR125.htm


361 Inf Reg was formed 15.June 1941 as a Infantry Reg, was reinforced with Art Abt 361 with 3 Bttr leFH (later II/Art Reg 190 of the 90. Afrika Division but already incorporated in the game) and a company of Flak from Flak Bat 613 in July 1941. Became part of 90. Light Afrika Division between late August and early November 1941. Transitioned to a Schützen Reg in July 1942.

III/241 Inf Bat
III/258 Inf Bat
III/268 Inf Bat

Were used to constitute Schützen Regiment 155 of 90th Light Afrika.

90. Light Afrika Division should have a mixed Schützen/Infantry TOE in late 42 and probably shouldn't exist in the beginning since it was still forming with bits and pieces all over the place.

Maybe bring it in fully formed in November 1941 and withdraw, not disband, the scattered regiments and battalions used to form it.



369th Croat Inf Reg should start the game attached to the 100th Light Inf Division

[MechFO]

III/255 Inf Bat went to Afrika and was disbanded there in 1942. 110. Inf Div was short an Inf Bat until the 1943 reorganisation.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /IR255.htm

Maybe just shorten the TOE of the 110th at start and let it fill up.

[MechFO]

638th LVF Infantry Regiment was part of the regular Wehrmacht, not the Waffen SS until August 1944 when it became part of the Waffen SS and integrated into the Waffen SS SturmBrigade Charlemagne.

3 Battalions so probably normal Infantry Regiment structure but was reinforced with the Art Abt 638 with 3 Batteries in February 1942. No information on what guns.

Lost a Battalion in 1942, but this was reconstituted in 1943. A IV. Battalion was founded in 1944.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... 33SSGD.htm

Should disband turn 158 when the Brigade comes in.

[MechFO]

zbV Infantry battalions

I couldn't find anything on the 100 and 300 zbV Mot Inf Bats and am inclined to think they shouldn't exist. If anyting it would be 100 and 300 Inf bat, motorised because designated Heerestruppe for a while but can't find anything that could fit.

The complete list of zbV battalions is:

Inf Bat zbV
491 (formed in December 1944 by renaming and consolidating the Lufwaffe zbV units Luftwaffen-Feld(later Jäger)zbV Battalions 1,2 and 10) and transferring them to the army)
500 (in the game as a bycicle recon bat, which it shouldn't be, formed April 1941)
540 (formed December 1941)
550 (formed November 1941, renamed Grenadier Bat in Oktober 42)
560 (formed August 1942, renamed Grenadier Bat in Oktober 42)
561 (formed Jan 1943, renamed Grenadier Bat in January 1944)

Es handelte sich um verstärkte Grenadierbataillone mit drei Schützenkompanien, einer Maschinengewehrkompanie, einer Stabskompanie, einem Jägerzug, einem Pakzug und einem Pionierzug

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... derung.htm

In the general descrption it says 560,561 were formed 1941, but in the battalion unit details it says what I listed.

Luftwaffe Feldbataillone z.b.V.
It doesn't mention how they were organised except it is mentioned the later ones were 4 companies strong with one being 5. I guess the standard Luftwaffen Feld/Jäger Battalion organisation applies.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... derung.htm


Luftwaffen-Feld Battalion zbV

1 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 4 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above)
2 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 3 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above) seems to have been intended as construction unit but then used in combat role.
3 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 2 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), probably renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved late 1944

Luftwaffe-Jäger Battalion zbV

4 formed April 1944 in Italy
5 formed April 1944 in the East
6 formed May/June 1944, used in Rumania in July, later Netherlands
7 formed Oktober 1943 with one company, later 4, used in Italy
8 formed March 1944 with 2 companies, later 5, used in Italy
9 formed March 1944, used in Italy
10 formed April 1944 with 4 companies, used in the East, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above


Is this useful? Don't know how deep down the battalion rabbit hole you want to go.

[Great_Ajax]

I think for smaller scenarios, the battalions are very useful. However, at campaign size, I don't want to go too deep in that rabbit hole.

Trey

ORIGINAL: MechFO

zbV Infantry battalions

I couldn't find anything on the 100 and 300 zbV Mot Inf Bats and am inclined to think they shouldn't exist. If anyting it would be 100 and 300 Inf bat, motorised because designated Heerestruppe for a while but can't find anything that could fit.

The complete list of zbV battalions is:

Inf Bat zbV
491 (formed in December 1944 by renaming and consolidating the Lufwaffe zbV units Luftwaffen-Feld(later Jäger)zbV Battalions 1,2 and 10) and transferring them to the army)
500 (in the game as a bycicle recon bat, which it shouldn't be, formed April 1941)
540 (formed December 1941)
550 (formed November 1941, renamed Grenadier Bat in Oktober 42)
560 (formed August 1942, renamed Grenadier Bat in Oktober 42)
561 (formed Jan 1943, renamed Grenadier Bat in January 1944)

Es handelte sich um verstärkte Grenadierbataillone mit drei Schützenkompanien, einer Maschinengewehrkompanie, einer Stabskompanie, einem Jägerzug, einem Pakzug und einem Pionierzug

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... derung.htm

In the general descrption it says 560,561 were formed 1941, but in the battalion unit details it says what I listed.

Luftwaffe Feldbataillone z.b.V.
It doesn't mention how they were organised except it is mentioned the later ones were 4 companies strong with one being 5. I guess the standard Luftwaffen Feld/Jäger Battalion organisation applies.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... derung.htm


Luftwaffen-Feld Battalion zbV

1 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 4 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above)
2 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 3 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above) seems to have been intended as construction unit but then used in combat role.
3 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 2 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), probably renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved late 1944

Luftwaffe-Jäger Battalion zbV

4 formed April 1944 in Italy
5 formed April 1944 in the East
6 formed May/June 1944, used in Rumania in July, later Netherlands
7 formed Oktober 1943 with one company, later 4, used in Italy
8 formed March 1944 with 2 companies, later 5, used in Italy
9 formed March 1944, used in Italy
10 formed April 1944 with 4 companies, used in the East, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above


Is this useful? Don't know how deep down the battalion rabbit hole you want to go.

[teddybbeer]

ORIGINAL: MechFO

zbV Infantry battalions

I couldn't find anything on the 100 and 300 zbV Mot Inf Bats and am inclined to think they shouldn't exist. If anyting it would be 100 and 300 Inf bat, motorised because designated Heerestruppe for a while but can't find anything that could fit.

Tessins Verbände:

Infanterie-Btl. z. b. V. 100 * 29. 10. 1939 durch WK VIII für Sondereinsatz zu 4 Kp.
(3 Schützen-Ko. und 1 schwere Kp. mit 2 Pak- und 2 sMG-Zügen) für den Angriff auf
Fort Eben-Emael;8. 3. 1941 motorisiert und umgegliedert in 5 Kp. (1.-3 . SchützenXp..4. MG- und 5. schw.Kp.); 30. 9. 1941 aufgelöst und im Schützen-Rgt. 129 aufgegangen (zugweise auf sämtl. Kp. dieses Rgts. verteilt).
U: Heerestruppe (OKH)
E: 375 Breslau; 24. 5. 1941 E 51 (mot.) Görlitz, WK VIII

300zbv is on picture, nothing about units motorisation tho.

[MechFO]

ORIGINAL: teddybbeer

ORIGINAL: MechFO

zbV Infantry battalions

I couldn't find anything on the 100 and 300 zbV Mot Inf Bats and am inclined to think they shouldn't exist. If anyting it would be 100 and 300 Inf bat, motorised because designated Heerestruppe for a while but can't find anything that could fit.

Tessins Verbände:

Infanterie-Btl. z. b. V. 100 * 29. 10. 1939 durch WK VIII für Sondereinsatz zu 4 Kp.
(3 Schützen-Ko. und 1 schwere Kp. mit 2 Pak- und 2 sMG-Zügen) für den Angriff auf
Fort Eben-Emael;8. 3. 1941 motorisiert und umgegliedert in 5 Kp. (1.-3 . SchützenXp..4. MG- und 5. schw.Kp.); 30. 9. 1941 aufgelöst und im Schützen-Rgt. 129 aufgegangen (zugweise auf sämtl. Kp. dieses Rgts. verteilt).
U: Heerestruppe (OKH)
E: 375 Breslau; 24. 5. 1941 E 51 (mot.) Görlitz, WK VIII

300zbv is on picture, nothing about units motorisation tho.

Thanks, found the entry for 100 under Schützen Reg 129. Shouldn't exist in that case as it will enter as part of 22. Panzer Div.

Regarding 300

Still can't find the listing for 300, but according to what's on Feldgrau it sounds like a pure admin battalion for security/water collection/purification units. Probably shouldn't be in the game.

https://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopi ... =24&t=3082

[MechFO]

315 and 316 FKL Pz Pioneer Companies are classed as Battalions.

The 202 Pz Bat should probably arrive at the same time as the 202 Pz Reg forms the 26. Pz Div, instead of beginning 1943, since even though it was still I/202 at the time, it had already been detached and remained detached until the formal name change.

The Stug M43 that are in it's TOE should be changed to something else, or the production needs to be changed. As of T121 it is still empty.

[MechFO]

T130 39th Infantry Division becomes the 41st Fortress Division. This should be conditional on the unit becoming unready, as this happened due to heavy losses and was a de facto formation of a new unit.

[MechFO]

504 Hvy Cannon Bat
should be in at the start of the game as 504th Coastal Artillery in Norway, probably locked, then rename to 504 Art Bat on 22.Dec 44.
it had 4 Bttrs, probably 2 x 15cm sFH , 1 x 21cm How and 1x 10.5 cm sK


I/127th leFH Bat
should upgrade to sFH in March 1944 and to mixed in June 1944.


III/139 leFH
became independant because the 39th Infantry division was dissolved, if you follow my suggestion and that only happens if it becomes unready, then this should be taken out. If it does get left in it should have 15cm sFH as it was the heavy Abt of the Regiment

I/288 Art Reg should be leFH
I and II/288 Art Reg schould be motorized and disband or rename to 288 Art Brig.
III/288 Art Reg come in as a new unit as that was the renaming of 740th Gun Bat, before going to the 288 Art Brig and then becoming independant again.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... derung.htm


289th sFH Heavy Howitzer Bat
should arrive as 289 Coastal Art Bat 29th Sep 1941, then get renamed. Should have guns in the beginning as it was equipped with captured French 15.5cm.

557th Gun Bat
had a 4th Bttr of 21cm How.

the whole range of Art units from 2167 onward should probably be motorized, I haven't checked through them but most seem motorized except for the fortress units.

[Great_Ajax]

Okay, removed.

Trey

ORIGINAL: MechFO

ORIGINAL: teddybbeer

ORIGINAL: MechFO

zbV Infantry battalions

I couldn't find anything on the 100 and 300 zbV Mot Inf Bats and am inclined to think they shouldn't exist. If anyting it would be 100 and 300 Inf bat, motorised because designated Heerestruppe for a while but can't find anything that could fit.

Tessins Verbände:

Infanterie-Btl. z. b. V. 100 * 29. 10. 1939 durch WK VIII für Sondereinsatz zu 4 Kp.
(3 Schützen-Ko. und 1 schwere Kp. mit 2 Pak- und 2 sMG-Zügen) für den Angriff auf
Fort Eben-Emael;8. 3. 1941 motorisiert und umgegliedert in 5 Kp. (1.-3 . SchützenXp..4. MG- und 5. schw.Kp.); 30. 9. 1941 aufgelöst und im Schützen-Rgt. 129 aufgegangen (zugweise auf sämtl. Kp. dieses Rgts. verteilt).
U: Heerestruppe (OKH)
E: 375 Breslau; 24. 5. 1941 E 51 (mot.) Görlitz, WK VIII

300zbv is on picture, nothing about units motorisation tho.

Thanks, found the entry for 100 under Schützen Reg 129. Shouldn't exist in that case as it will enter as part of 22. Panzer Div.

Regarding 300

Still can't find the listing for 300, but according to what's on Feldgrau it sounds like a pure admin battalion for security/water collection/purification units. Probably shouldn't be in the game.

https://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopi ... =24&t=3082

[Great_Ajax]

The unit classifications should have defaulted to companies but they aren't for some reason so I forced them into displaying the company symbol.

I'm leaving the 202 Pz alone as Lexicon shows that it was established in Jan 43. I also want to leave the captured Italian equipment as I am working with Pavel to come up with some solutions to introduce non-produced captured vehicles. This would include French combat vehicle modifications.

Trey

ORIGINAL: MechFO

315 and 316 FKL Pz Pioneer Companies are classed as Battalions.

The 202 Pz Bat should probably arrive at the same time as the 202 Pz Reg forms the 26. Pz Div, instead of beginning 1943, since even though it was still I/202 at the time, it had already been detached and remained detached until the formal name change.

The Stug M43 that are in it's TOE should be changed to something else, or the production needs to be changed. As of T121 it is still empty.

[Great_Ajax]

I don't disagree but this one is a tough one to work out because it also ends up becoming the 41st Infantry Division in 1945. So, even if I set the initial change to happen when it depletes, it still has another entry to convert to the 41st Infantry Division in 1945. Either we leave it alone or we need to to remove the rename and make the 41st Fortress Division arrive as a separate unit.

Trey

ORIGINAL: MechFO

T130 39th Infantry Division becomes the 41st Fortress Division. This should be conditional on the unit becoming unready, as this happened due to heavy losses and was a de facto formation of a new unit.

[Great_Ajax]

I'm not going to go down the rename and reconfiguration of all of these artillery units because they just swapped out too much to try to keep straight. The same issue occurs with the Panzerjager Battalions. My suggestion in the past (which I haven't given up on) is to allow players the ability to make some modest OB changes to their units. That would be the easiest way to fix this.

I did make the changes to the 139th and 288th units as well as motorize a bunch of the units that you suggested.

Trey

ORIGINAL: MechFO

504 Hvy Cannon Bat
should be in at the start of the game as 504th Coastal Artillery in Norway, probably locked, then rename to 504 Art Bat on 22.Dec 44.
it had 4 Bttrs, probably 2 x 15cm sFH , 1 x 21cm How and 1x 10.5 cm sK


I/127th leFH Bat
should upgrade to sFH in March 1944 and to mixed in June 1944.


III/139 leFH
became independant because the 39th Infantry division was dissolved, if you follow my suggestion and that only happens if it becomes unready, then this should be taken out. If it does get left in it should have 15cm sFH as it was the heavy Abt of the Regiment

I/288 Art Reg should be leFH
I and II/288 Art Reg schould be motorized and disband or rename to 288 Art Brig.
III/288 Art Reg come in as a new unit as that was the renaming of 740th Gun Bat, before going to the 288 Art Brig and then becoming independant again.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... derung.htm


289th sFH Heavy Howitzer Bat
should arrive as 289 Coastal Art Bat 29th Sep 1941, then get renamed. Should have guns in the beginning as it was equipped with captured French 15.5cm.

557th Gun Bat
had a 4th Bttr of 21cm How.

the whole range of Art units from 2167 onward should probably be motorized, I haven't checked through them but most seem motorized except for the fortress units.

[Denniss]

only the Stab of the disbanded 39th inf div was used for the 41th fortress div, the subordinate units were already existing and regrouped as div. In 1/45 it reorganized as infantry div by using further units withdrawn from Greece.

[Great_Ajax]

So, just separating out these two units may be the best course of action anyway.

Trey

ORIGINAL: Denniss

only the Stab of the disbanded 39th inf div was used for the 41th fortress div, the subordinate units were already existing and regrouped as div. In 1/45 it reorganized as infantry div by using further units withdrawn from Greece.

[rob89]

I found some problems with the Italia OOB (on & off map)

please see:

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5012033

regards