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[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay



War with China doesn't have to be the trigger. Just the fact that Japan is an Ally could, with a Republican administration be enough to make the USSR seem more of a threat than Nazi Germany. Or, if an incident is required, any would do. Soviet equipment turning up in Japanese units, etc.

warspite1

So let me get this right. You see no issue with Japan and Britain being allies (see your posts above) but the Soviets and Japan as allies is a big no no and has the Americans cosying up to Fascists?

After being attacked by an Allied Power.

warspite1

You can't seem to get your head around the fact that these aren't football teams. Each side has countries. Those countries are not necessarily playing as a team with team goals. They are playing for their own benefit and as it suits them to be in a team. Japan is only loosely allied to Britain and the USSR when Japan go rogue and attack the US. The British and Soviets tell Tojo where he can shove their alliance.

I ask yet again (5th time of asking?), if you believe that Britain and/or the USSR would make an enemy of the US:

- how does an effectively bankrupt Britain, reliant on the US for supplies, food and weapons manage to proescute the war against Germany, Italy, and now the US, without the US?

- How does Stalin decide he doesn't need lend lease and would rather have an alliance with Japan - a country that is not helping the USSR?

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
How could Germany even received any raw materials from China if the Allies did not want them to receive any? Especially if Japan was allied with the United Kingdom?

Who are the Allies? Didn't even exist until sometime after December 7, 1941.

Here's an even more likely what if that could have put Germany against Japan. Germany had far more to lose in raw materials by siding with Japan than siding with China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Germ ... incursions.

So now China becomes a German trading partner and receives German military aid and perhaps becomes an ally. Evidently Hitler thought Japan would be better suited in that role. Without the raw materials but with a more able military. Yet he failed to include them when planning Barbarossa. What's the point of their stronger military if you refuse to use it to your advantage? That's plain stupid and makes zero sense. Especially when the Japanese Army was willing to take on the Soviets in Asia. And China is also supported by the U.S. At the same time Japan and Germany are now at odds. And Japan and the U.S. are also at odds.

Now Japan attacks China, now Germany's second or third largest trading partner where tens millions of marks are invested and Germany's friend if not ally. The U.S. also has close ties with China. The U.S. and Germany find themselves on the same side in a war in China. Japan is Germany's enemy. Japan is the enemy of the U.S. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

And something else. Rooselvelt had a bitter dislike for dictators. Yet he sided and planned and worked closely with one as bad if not worse than Hitler who had openly planned world domination through Communism. Not exactly a state secret. Yet there Roosevelt is hobnobbing with the devil because they had a common enemy.

I seriously suggest that you actually open some history books, read them, and at least try to comprehend what is written in them.

Germany did have a major influence in China until 1937 . . .

The Allies did exist prior to the 7th of December of 1941. The World War II started before the USA was attacked by Japan!

Churchill hated Communism, the only thing that he hated more was Nazism . . .

There were no Allies in 1937. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

There was no Anschluss of Austria. There was no Sudentenland take over. There was no occupation of Czechoslovakia. There was no WW2.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Lobster



Who are the Allies? Didn't even exist until sometime after December 7, 1941.

Here's an even more likely what if that could have put Germany against Japan. Germany had far more to lose in raw materials by siding with Japan than siding with China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Germ ... incursions.

So now China becomes a German trading partner and receives German military aid and perhaps becomes an ally. Evidently Hitler thought Japan would be better suited in that role. Without the raw materials but with a more able military. Yet he failed to include them when planning Barbarossa. What's the point of their stronger military if you refuse to use it to your advantage? That's plain stupid and makes zero sense. Especially when the Japanese Army was willing to take on the Soviets in Asia. And China is also supported by the U.S. At the same time Japan and Germany are now at odds. And Japan and the U.S. are also at odds.

Now Japan attacks China, now Germany's second or third largest trading partner where tens millions of marks are invested and Germany's friend if not ally. The U.S. also has close ties with China. The U.S. and Germany find themselves on the same side in a war in China. Japan is Germany's enemy. Japan is the enemy of the U.S. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

And something else. Rooselvelt had a bitter dislike for dictators. Yet he sided and planned and worked closely with one as bad if not worse than Hitler who had openly planned world domination through Communism. Not exactly a state secret. Yet there Roosevelt is hobnobbing with the devil because they had a common enemy.

I seriously suggest that you actually open some history books, read them, and at least try to comprehend what is written in them.

Germany did have a major influence in China until 1937 . . .

The Allies did exist prior to the 7th of December of 1941. The World War II started before the USA was attacked by Japan!

Churchill hated Communism, the only thing that he hated more was Nazism . . .

There were no Allies in 1937. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

There was no Anschluss of Austria. There was no Sudentenland take over. There was no occupation of Czechoslovakia. There was no WW2.

Again, read some history books. Get some well written ones that are not based upon fantasy.

[Lobster]

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[Edmon]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

The only fantasy is you thinking you know anything. [:D][:D] KMA Shenandoah 960 AM 99.1 FM

Less of this type of post please.

Just because that's a real radio station does not mean that myself and others can't see the very obvious meaning behind quoting it's name when the conversation has literally nothing to do with radio.

I think this thread is going nowhere but downhill from here, so I am going to go ahead and lock it.