Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))

[Lowpe]

The current TOE of the Australian Divisions are killers...and the upgraded TOE does add some AA and a MTN guns but at a great reduction in firepower...so I can't see a reason to upgrade them. Merely given them a supporting AA unit.

What happens to the excess devices after a TOE upgrade? Goes back to the pool eventually?

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[Lowpe]

Toying with the idea of using 3 fleet carriers ambush the returning battleships after the next bombardment run....totally depends upon what Japan is doing with the KB, but I think it would be pretty successful. At present the KB is a tad too close...and, sadly, I fear I will do the October upgrades instead....but I bet there will still be this opportunity in two weeks time. We shall see and start making provisions for this crazy op. By then tho, it is likely their will be akes in the Marianas.

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[BBfanboy]

The current TOE of the Australian Divisions are killers...and the upgraded TOE does add some AA and a MTN guns but at a great reduction in firepower...so I can't see a reason to upgrade them. Merely given them a supporting AA unit.

What happens to the excess devices after a TOE upgrade? Goes back to the pool eventually?

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Less load cost will make the Division easier to transport and land amphibiously. 25 pounder guns take a while to unload.

I am sure the excess devices are sent to the pools. Arrival time probably depends on where the unit was when the upgrade happened.

[JohnDillworth]

My experience attacking BB's with carriers at this point in the war is torpedoes don't work. You might end up getting a dozen hits with bombs that don't penetrate nor do much beyond some operational damage and you will lose a lot of SBD's doing it. BB's can soak up a lot of dive bomber hits without suffering any critical damage. You mileage may vary.

Toying with the idea of using 3 fleet carriers ambush the returning battleships after the next bombardment run....totally depends upon what Japan is doing with the KB, but I think it would be pretty successful. At present the KB is a tad too close...and, sadly, I fear I will do the October upgrades instead....but I bet there will still be this opportunity in two weeks time. We shall see and start making provisions for this crazy op. By then tho, it is likely their will be akes in the Marianas.

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[Lowpe]

October 1, 1942

The only attack today by Japan:

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[Lowpe]

My experience attacking BB's with carriers at this point in the war is torpedoes don't work.

Very good point! Thanks for reminding me.

[Lowpe]

Less load cost will make the Division easier to transport and land amphibiously. 25 pounder guns take a while to unload.

Fair point, but I bet these troops never see a transport....they are going to be slogging thru overland to Vinh and Hong Kong I hope.

[BBfanboy]

October 1, 1942

The only attack today by Japan:

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This picture does not appear, even if clicked on. Can you try to reattach it, please? (your pictures are always very informative!)

[Lowpe]

October 1, 1942

The only attack today by Japan:

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This picture does not appear, even if clicked on. Can you try to reattach it, please? (your pictures are always very informative!)

I wonder why...it is there on my screen.

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[Lowpe]

Huh, now it doesn't appear on my screen with this last post?

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That was drag and drop and load file methods....oh well?

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I guess no graphics for awhile?

But, no worries, we have emojiis!

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Combat report for the above battle in China:

Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 17672 troops, 360 guns, 1315 vehicles, Assault Value = 790

Defending force 29634 troops, 122 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 721

Japanese adjusted assault: 611

Allied adjusted defense: 1417

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
430 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Vehicles lost 47 (7 destroyed, 40 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1161 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 168 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Assaulting units:
17th Tank Regiment
1st Tank Division
2nd Tank Division
Guards Tank Division
12th Army
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion

Defending units:
86th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
20th Chinese Corps
43rd Cavalry Regiment
50th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese/A Corps
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Artillery Regiment

[Lowpe]

October 2, 1942

This series of air missions shows why a fleet engagement with the Japanese KB would be a bad idea. My pilots are decent, but every attack the IJ fighters manage to get thru to the bombers.

This action is in the Gilberts, a bit east of Makin....picture it in your mind!

Morning Air attack on TF, near Makin at 138,125

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
A6M2-N Rufe x 2
A6M5 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 31
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
TBF-1 Avenger x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
DD Suruyame
DD Susuki

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.
3 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.

[Lowpe]

Morning Air attack on TF, near Makin at 138,125

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
A6M2-N Rufe x 1

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 18
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
SBD-3 Dauntless x 12
TBF-1 Avenger x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Kagero
CL Tenryu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Kisaragi

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

[Lowpe]

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Makin at 138,125

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
A6M2-N Rufe x 1
A6M5 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 20
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
TBF-1 Avenger x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 5 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma

[Lowpe]

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Makin at 138,125

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
A6M5 Zero x 1

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 33
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
SBD-3 Dauntless x 13
TBF-1 Avenger x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze
DD Tawakaze
CL Tenryu
DD Yamanagiri
DD Kisaragi

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.
5 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

[Lowpe]

In China, picture it....massive front, the IJA Tank Army of the Apocalypse attacks again....China is bringing in more artillery and a fresh Corp...should be arriving over the next few days. Will rotate back the more disabled corps to recover.

Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 17453 troops, 360 guns, 1314 vehicles, Assault Value = 753

Defending force 28789 troops, 122 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 610

Japanese adjusted assault: 398

Allied adjusted defense: 985

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
580 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Vehicles lost 27 (18 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
547 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 76 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Assaulting units:
17th Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Division
1st Tank Division
Guards Tank Division
12th Army
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion

Defending units:
86th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
43rd Cavalry Regiment
50th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
4th Chinese/A Corps
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Artillery Regiment

[Lowpe]

And finally, a slug of Chinese in the mountains north of Ankang are forced to retreat by the lesser Tank Army of the Apocalypse....which is bad, I had hoped they didn't have a valid retreat path. However, now they will head out in three different vectors to cut IJ supply lines and eventually be reborn in Chungking.

Ground combat at 81,40 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 16977 troops, 159 guns, 671 vehicles, Assault Value = 649

Defending force 20996 troops, 75 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

Japanese adjusted assault: 627

Allied adjusted defense: 178

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
173 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
7101 casualties reported
Squads: 376 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 287 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 24 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 33 (29 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units retreated 5

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
51st Recon Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
40th Division
12th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion

Defending units:
57th Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
76th Chinese/B Corps
76th Chinese/A Corps
76th Chinese/C Corps

[Lowpe]

Ok, I don't think I can do an AAR with no pictures.

Guess I will post something on the Tech folder...

[witpqs]

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October 1, 1942

The only attack today by Japan:

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This picture does not appear, even if clicked on. Can you try to reattach it, please? (your pictures are always very informative!)

I wonder why...it is there on my screen.

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I don't see it either.

[Lowpe]

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Testing for graphic

oh well, no joy.

[BBfanboy]

Nomad is also reporting that he cannot post images. Forum is still having issues getting migrations done, I guess. It was down this morning when I tried to get to it.