Attacking Tigers

[rbrunsman]

Arethusa, you must be fighting in 1945 or later when the German experience is much lower. I don't recall having my Tigers get very concerned about 75mm arty and they almost always rally from whatever hits them.

However, I generally don't use Tigers, and certainly not KT (V2 cured me of that notion with a single, first shot from a 50mm AT-gun that immobilized my "invinceable" beast ). They just aren't worth the expense really, IMHO. Give me a couple PzIVhs any day. I love those.

[VikingNo2]

Your welcom :rolleyes:

[arethusa]

Arethusa, you must be fighting in 1945 or later when the German experience is much lower. I don't recall having my Tigers get very concerned about 75mm arty and they almost always rally from whatever hits them.

However, I generally don't use Tigers, and certainly not KT (V2 cured me of that notion with a single, first shot from a 50mm AT-gun that immobilized my "invinceable" beast ). They just aren't worth the expense really, IMHO. Give me a couple PzIVhs any day. I love those.

It was Feb. '43, the same time as Kasserine pass in N. Africa. I'm pretty sure over a couple of games I got almost 24 Tigers that way. I think I said arty starting at 75mm. Most of it was 105mm, alternating between towed and on HT's. And then of course the 60mm jeeps just to keep der kopfen down after they got that way. :rolleyes:

[Wolfleader]

Sherman Jumbos and VC firefly's are quite good cat killers. One thing about allied armour is that they may not be as heavily armoured as German tanks are but they are much faster and more nimble, my advice would be to put maneuverability to full use and keep your tanks on the move and always dodge in and out of cover (behind hills, forests, etc...) in an attempt to quickly flank the german tanks and hit them from the sides and rear.

[arethusa]

Sherman Jumbos and VC firefly's are quite good cat killers. One thing about allied armour is that they may not be as heavily armoured as German tanks are but they are much faster and more nimble, my advice would be to put maneuverability to full use and keep your tanks on the move and always dodge in and out of cover (behind hills, forests, etc...) in an attempt to quickly flank the german tanks and hit them from the sides and rear.

Didn't have any Jumbos but I did have a few Fireflys and they accounted for several Tigers during the two games.

However, not by using manoeverability but by sitting still, digging in over several turns and then hitting the Tigers at LR. In those situations, they sat there for several turns without shooting until the Tiger was acquired and the hit ratio had increased to a reasonable level. Then they only fired 1 shot. If it killed, great. If it didn't, they didn't fire a second but let their wingman fire the next shot at the same target. They never seemed to get spotted doing this.

Or, if they didn't have the time to dig in, then sitting on the reverse slope, popping up, shooting and then ducking back.

The next biggest kat-killer was bazooka teams. Either riding up quickly on some type of transport when the Tigers were supressed, or digging in in front of the line of advance and waiting until a kat went past within 2 hexes, then popping up behind the kat.

[challenge]

Tigers, while very sexy, are more expensive and less effective than both the Panther and Pz IVf2. Those long-barreled 75s can cut through most of the opposition's armor at about half the cost. The Tiger is also rather slow and prone to breakdown. Better fire rates, better mobility, and effective firepower counts more than bulk.

It's not that I don't use and like Tigers, Tiger. But I only get a couple of them to use as heavy backup for a flank or as reserves. They're just to d*** slow in an assault role to keep up with the main force.

[o4r]

ORIGINAL: TigerOfChaos

Hello everyone,

I've been playing SP:WaW for some time now, as Germany naturally. Battles with the date set so that I can purchase a lot of Konigstigers and Panthers. With maximum battle points set; infinite ammo, but no historic ratings.

My question is, is there any way that such a force can be defeated? The battles are rather one-sided, as no matter what forces the US Army or the Soviets bring, the cats can rip through them without much difficulty. In fact, Infantry gets more kills than their tanks do. Battles are meeting engagements, should give both of us equal purchase points, right?

My question is, how would I go about defeating such a force of German super-tanks?


(I'm slightly wimpy regarding the infinite ammo, as it does help get a lot of artillery strikes in...)

The spear is always greater than the shield.

The advantages of German gun are its powerful high velocity gun and superb targeting system.

Remember any Russian T-34, American Sherman is able to tackle the Tiger within the hex of about 5 to 10 hexes.

The problem is how to close in. Ha.... that where the smoke comes in.

Any tank can disable or even destroyed a Tiger within at least 5 hexes.

Once range is close to 5 hexes, all gun is a killer and all tanks targeting is about equal. Nobody get 100 percent accuracy, max is 99.

once u knew about those cat coming, try to fight close quarters. smoke those hills to prevent those cat from firing long range with that position and force it to forward or reserve from fravorite position by artillery. 50 mm mortar is good at suppression too. such suppression can caused those cat to reduce accuracy to a certain degree.

[Mathurin]

Well i use two tactics in order to kill tigers. While playing with US i create smokescreen, get my infantry close so they can assault them and more importantly keep my shermans away from tigers line of sight. With Soviets, i run until i reach the Urals and then run some more.[:)]

[o4r]

ORIGINAL: Mathurin

Well i use two tactics in order to kill tigers. While playing with US i create smokescreen, get my infantry close so they can assault them and more importantly keep my shermans away from tigers line of sight. With Soviets, i run until i reach the Urals and then run some more.[:)]

By keeping ur sherman out of sight and refuse direct confrontation is a high risk. In the event if enemy decide to use mortar on that area, ur infantry maybe badly suppress and no close tank support.

It is better to have ur tanks and infantry plus support like mortar up front to face the tiger. Relying singly on the infantry is a high risk chances that the tiger may overrun them and create a breakthrough.

Playing soviet, I love their combination of T-34 and any 152mm close assualt tanks. Use 152 assualt tank for the indirect shot on the Tiger which cause it to have enmourous suppression then move the T-34 close in for easy shot. Infantry getting a free ride near and engage in close range hand to hand combat.