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A complete overhaul and re-development of Gary Grigsby's War in the East, with a focus on improvements to historical accuracy, realism, user interface and AI.

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vinnysix
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Quite impressed with this.... ChatGPT use poe.com... very good advance search engine capabilities to help with the game.

Query was 'Provide Checklist for War in the East 2'

War in the East 2 is a complex and detailed strategy game focused on the Eastern Front of World War II. Here's a checklist to help you navigate the various aspects of the game:

1. **Strategic Planning**:

- Assess the overall situation and objectives.
- Study the terrain, weather, and logistical considerations.
- Formulate a comprehensive strategic plan for your forces.

1. **Military Operations**:

- Mobilize and deploy your forces effectively.
- Plan and execute offensive and defensive operations.
- Coordinate air support, artillery, and naval assets.
- Conduct amphibious and airborne operations when necessary.

1. **Logistics and Supply**:

- Establish supply lines and maintain logistics.
- Ensure your forces are adequately equipped and provisioned.
- Manage fuel, ammunition, and other critical supplies.

1. **Intelligence and Reconnaissance**:

- Gather intelligence on enemy forces.
- Conduct reconnaissance and surveillance operations.
- Identify enemy strengths, weaknesses, and intentions.

1. **Command and Control**:

- Assign competent commanders to your units.
- Establish effective communication and coordination systems.
- Monitor and manage the morale and cohesion of your forces.

1. **Combat Operations**:

- Engage in tactical battles and operations.
- Plan and execute combined arms assaults.
- Conduct sieges, urban warfare, and defensive battles.

1. **Technology and Research**:

- Research and develop new technologies.
- Upgrade your units and equipment.
- Stay up to date with technological advancements.

1. **Diplomacy and Politics**:

- Manage relationships with allied and neutral countries.
- Negotiate treaties, alliances, and non-aggression pacts.
- Consider diplomatic initiatives to influence the course of the war.

1. **Production and Industry**:

- Manage industrial production and resource allocation.
- Construct and upgrade factories, infrastructure, and supply depots.
- Balance civilian and military production needs.

1. **Historical Events and Decisions**:

- Respond to historical events and decisions within the game.
- Make choices that can shape the course of the war.
- Consider historical context and potential consequences.

1. **Scenario-Specific Objectives**:

- Understand the specific objectives and victory conditions of the chosen scenario.
- Tailor your strategy and actionsbased on the scenario requirements.

1. **Continuous Assessment and Adaptation**:

- Continuously evaluate the effectiveness of your strategy.
- Adjust your plans and tactics based on the evolving situation.
- Learn from successes and failures to refine your approach.

Remember that War in the East 2 is a highly detailed and intricate game, so this checklist may not cover every aspect. Adapt it to your specific playstyle and objectives, and be prepared to invest time and effort into mastering the game mechanics and strategies. Good luck on the Eastern Front!
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Meh. These are basic, generic bullet points that any beginning strategic game player should know, for any war game.

Does not provide any insight into HOW to actually play and win WITE2 or provide specific details about the game.

Proof again that AI isn’t end all be all.
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I agree here, those are very generic and not very specific and really not very informative of the actual playing of WITE 2.
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Mmmmm....

An interesting response from an AI. This is from AI correct?
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Ok, I give up. What do we research?


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loutro wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:11 pm Meh. These are basic, generic bullet points that any beginning strategic game player should know, for any war game.

Does not provide any insight into HOW to actually play and win WITE2 or provide specific details about the game.

Proof again that AI isn’t end all be all.
ChatGPT knowledge cutoff-date was 2021, when WitE2 was barely released, so chatbots can't have specific knowledge about the game.

A newer version of ChatGPT4 level whose training data has included all Matrixgames posts may offer more specific and useful checklists.
Although it may also have picked up "allot" from Pelton's posts :D
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HardLuckYetAgain wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:34 pm Ok, I give up. What do we research?



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=reading the forum and working out new strategies and understanding in game mechanics in test scenarios :D
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EwaldvonKleist wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:33 pm
HardLuckYetAgain wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:34 pm Ok, I give up. What do we research?



Screenshot 2023-08-11 at 3.34.02 PM.png
=reading the forum and working out new strategies and understanding in game mechanics in test scenarios :D
It says for the game "research and develop new technologies"

That in and of itself is not in the game. Hence me being coy with what to research since it is not in the game. Wrong avenue path for it to put in.
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HardLuckYetAgain wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:25 am
EwaldvonKleist wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:33 pm
HardLuckYetAgain wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:34 pm Ok, I give up. What do we research?



Screenshot 2023-08-11 at 3.34.02 PM.png
=reading the forum and working out new strategies and understanding in game mechanics in test scenarios :D
It says for the game "research and develop new technologies"

That in and of itself is not in the game. Hence me being coy with what to research since it is not in the game. Wrong avenue path for it to put in.
Agreed, was trying to give something sense that doesn't make sense :-)
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I tested ChatGPT on HOI4.

* Why zone/region system is used to model air and ocean combat. I mean real world or military simulation, there is no reason for such?

* How software reuse can result in better return investment versus superior modeling?

* EU4 again how their had to be AI function to explore and patrol?

* Good marketing psychology needs to convince the consumer much work/value is delivered to justify payment as opposed to "we hung a UI on already written functions in 1 day".

What is my point? ChatGPT passed basic coding, but failed to arrive at the synthesis by which code/marketing/deception could generate improved return on investment. All it did was parrot, the thoughts of other humans and published literature. It was unable to arrive at the inspired synthesis that drive PDS' profitability ... don't show me something I don't know. Show me something that was not originally based on human thought.

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I loaded an uncensored 33B parameter LLM (LLAMA based) on my 4090 using the turbo-charger(4X) ExLLAMA which increases tokens from 2K to 8K.

Now, this model could tell me every sensation of being constipated.

But at the same time, I was run HWINFO64 with more than 500+ data points. At least 25% are temperature probes. The CPU Package could be at 105C and the GPU Package at 95C, but the the LLM would have no sense it was literally burning up and how does that feel?

It's gimmick. There is no body (I was talking to a video card for 3 hours). It has not perception of time which is another reason why feeling are a gimmick.

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I am a 40 year software engineer, but LLMs are not computer science. They are modern alchemy, and no one truly understands why they work (in that sense they model brains well). The idiots throwing things at the wall and seeing if it sticks are playing with fire.
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