Soviet Cavalry Corps TOEs (3xRule+)

[Wiedrock]

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Working on the Cavalry Divisions currently, so this Thread is going to be finished in parallel depending on found sources.

Just a short starter to see what's going on. Post will be expanded later on.

41 Cavalry Corps 12/1941
Date the same as Cavalry Division 12/1941.
The Corps seems to have been built from 3xDivision+no SUs.
Here the Corps seems to have 26x20Men (520Men) as Support additional, representing HQ Staff and so on.
Checking the CttRA:
01/1942 Corps is given as 294Manpower (109xCorps HQ + 185xSignal Btl.).

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42 Cavalry Corps 07/1942
Date the same as Cavalry Division 07/1942.
The Corps seems to have been built from 3xDivision+SUs.
Here there are 123 Support (2460Men) as Support for SUs, Staff and so on included.

Using the figures provided in the Strength reports:
Mort(120mm): (779-(32x6Men))/20=29.35Support
AT(45mm): (587-(12x5))/20=26.35Support
Art(76mm): (494-(20x5))/20=19.7Support
= 75Support
+50Support for HQ
=125Support
So it appears this Support Unit's +HQ/Staff manpower was actually properly accounted for!!!
Checking the CttRA:
06-07/1942 Corps (leaving out the three Combat "SU's" manpower) is given as 1021Manpower.

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43 Cavalry Corps 02/1943
Date the same as Cavalry Division 02/1943.
The Corps seems to have been built from 3xDivision+SUs.
As with the Rifle Corps, the additional Corps assets/SUs come with no additional Support (in this instance this is even worse, since the Support is even lower than 3xDivision would have!).
So the Support is missing for:

• 24x76.2mm AT Gun
  → I assume this is about the OB:2148 (altough this was only introduced later...), which contained 24Pak and 24PTRD with 492Men.
  ...should therefore be about:
  492-(24x2+24x6)=300Men/20=+15Support
• 16xDShK+16x37mm AA Gun
  → Light AA Regiment (like in an AA Division) from 02/43 till 04/44 it had exactly 16+16 (the 37mm then expanded +8 (which is perfectly matched by the following 1944 Cavalry TOE)).
  1943 had 396Men → (396-(16x8+16x6))/20=+8.6Support
  (1944 had 518Men - following TOE)
• 21xSU-76 SPG Light Tank Destroyer
  →I assume this is supposed to be OB:2152
  This OB is missing +1 BA-64 Armored Car!
  This OB has +9Support.

- 23 Support are "missing" from even reaching 3xlevels without taking the 3 "Regiments/Battalions" into account

So in Sum this TOE should get Support Squads added:
+23 (to equalize Divisions)
+50 (HQ/Staff)
+15+8,6+9
=+109Support
+1 Armored Car

Order for the spring/mid 1943 Corps:
https://www.soldat.ru/doc/gko/text/3251.html

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44 Cavalry Corps 02/1944
Date has no Cavalry Division TOE.
The Corps seems to have been built from previous 3xDivision+SUs.
As the prior Corps it s not even reaching the 3xDivisional Support, has some of the prior SUs and gets additional ones without getting additional Support. True magic those Soviets.
+ 18 Recon Squad (new) (???)
+ 18 Sapper Squads (~250-300Men)
+ 12 120mm Mortars (1/3rd of a Regiment → +~10.67Support)
+ 8 Rocket Launchers (new) (around 10Support)
+ 3 DShK [see 85mm AA]
+ 8 37mm AA (518Men-(24x6))/20=18.7Support
+ 12 85mm AA (new) (Heavy AA Regiment had 4 Batteries 490Men [here 3 instead of 4 Batteries], so 490x0,75=367,5=368→12x7Men+3(DShK)x6Men=102Men→368-102=266/20=13,3Support
+ 5 Armored Cars (???)
+ 15 Tanks (and new type) (???) → according to this Source the Divisional Tanks wee reduced to 21xT-34 during this time, so the actual totals for a Corps may have been as low as 63?!

Calculation WIP - but should be at least 70 additional Support to the calculation before

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GUARDS
The Guards TOEs seem to be more or less the same as the regular TOEs (only exception seems to be Sapper Engineers in the 42 TOE(?), not sure why this additional sappers disappear afterwards).


From looking at the strength reports GUARD Corps seem to on average have had more Support in HQ/Staff.
My suggestion:
Apply on Cavalry Corps general Rules...
TOE 07/1942 onwards...
Regular Corps: 1000Men (+50Support - HQ/Staff)
GUARDS Corps: 1300Men (+65Support - HQ/Staff)

TOEs before 07/1942...
Regular Corps: 540Men (+27Support - HQ/Staff)
GUARDS Corps: 660Men (+33Support - HQ/Staff)

Errors/Issues:
OB:2216 42 Guards Cavalry Corps has less Support (465) than the regular 42 Cavalry Corps (495).

[Wiedrock]

Ok, worked through all the 4 Cavalry Corps TOEs and there are two that makes sense to me (regarding 3xRule+SUs+Support numbers). The 12/41 variant, where you have 520Men additional for HQ Staff and so on. If this number is correct or not I can not say but it is what I would expect as Support for organizing/communication and so on. Assuming this number would be "exact" I'd further expect this number to go down in later TOEs but obviously never reach 0.
42 is also undersandable, tho not knowing the "correct" numbers.

[Wiedrock]

Et voilà!
Cavalry Corps HQ/Staff/Support numbers from 1942.
Without the "fighting Unit's Support" (e.g. Artillery, Mortar, Pak), so what a each Cavalry Corps probably needs additional in either case, it's already + 1033Men → /20=51.65Support Squads.

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Further numbers:
02/1942: 570Men
01.10.1943: 3685Men (also includes combat SU's manpower)
30.10.1942: 3293Men (likely to also include combat SU's Manpower)
15.10.1943: 1297Men (this report also includes a sum of many "SUs" of 1903).
01.06.1944: 1386Men (not exactly sure what the last one is, so possible to be more).
15.06.1944: 1226Men



The following contains a list of TOE numbers for different types of Support-Units:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=451134350

[Wiedrock]

This is a report from early 43, I'd assume the Divisional TOE was still the 4903Men.
The Document states that without "attached units" the Corps size is 15750 (I assume it means all combat units).
If we now remember the 1033 I've found before as being normal "Support/Staff/HQ", we'd get:
3x4903+1033=15742 vs 15750 ...
...may just be a coincidence.

[Wiedrock]

Added some calculations to the initial Post.
The 42+43 variants seem pretty convincing I'd say, the 42 vanilla seems to be about perfect but for whatever reason the 43 variant is completely off again.
The 44 Variant I still miss some numbers, but at least 70Support on top of the calculated 43 figure is needed.
The 41 Variant I am not sure about, possible it shows all the HQ staff in a reduced variant during that time. Would need more info for the period.

EDIT:
Will add TOEs if I find them:

06/201 Staff?!

[Denniss]

I would suspect that the 43 Cav Div Support squad level is a bit on the high side. Adapting the Corps to higher Support levels as suggested and justified by Corps assets makes those 600+ Support Squads.
From 42 to 43 OB the Div gained 61 Support squads, that's 1200 men out of a 1500 men rise in manpower

[Wiedrock]

The increase looks suspiciously high indeed, would need work to figure out what's wrong. Could explain why some of the Corps TOEs do not even reach the 3xDivisional Support numbers.

...If I had to make an uneducated guess,... the Manpower for that 02/1943 Division looks suspiciously like a ballparked/general Corps's Manpower of 19k "/3".
Eyeballing I'd say it should rather be ~5.5-5.8k Men per Division, but needs work to be sure. The Division got plenty of Tanks (a Tank Regiment) and restructured the Artillery/Mortars into a Artillery-Mortar Regiment of sorts.

[Wiedrock]

You've had the right impression with the 1943 Cavalry TOE, this site gives the Divisional TOE for early 1943 with 5352, it also lists the official order (CttRA give a loose 6000 since they did not know some of the numbers). I always reached higher numbers because I kept the 353Men of the Recon Battalion but that one seems to have vanished - either completely or in a reduced version (German intel gives a 110Men - propably applicable to IRL Division setups while restructuring).