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Brady · Post by **Brady** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 7:39 pm

I noticed also that the Coranados Bombload seams extreamly light, it in the game carries about 10 500 pouind bombs, but was rated for I beleave about 12,000 pounds of Bombs for Normal range Bombing mishions.

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I notice their are also no B5M's in the game, are B5N's used to represent them?

mjk428 · Post by **mjk428** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:02 pm

In the Guadalcanal campaign scenario Noumea has an "airfield: 8 (2)". In campaign scenarios that start later it's the smaller & legal "airfield: 5 (2)".

jcjordan · Post by **jcjordan** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:39 am

I think Inchon is a typo, on the screen it's Inch'on. Also the Lysander being a F or FB, I would think it would be a recon or patrol type or out altogether as it was used mostly as a liason type.

Svar · Post by **Svar** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:05 am

The port capacity size for the Admiralties Islands is too low. In 'The two-Ocean War' by Samuel Eliot Morison, he states about the 1944 operation in the Admiralties. "By 3 April they were in control of the magnificent, deep, landlocked Seeadler Harbor, fifteen miles long and four miles wide. Far better as a base than Rabual, and nearer Japan, the Admiralties became one of the most important staging points in the last fifteen months of the pacific War." If you look at this website you will see that the airfield capacity is probably too low also.

2Stepper · Post by **2Stepper** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:06 am

Noted an odd one. Early on in Dec 41 I saw an attack in China by a group of Ki-44IIb Tojo's. [&:] According to everything I've found online (got curious when I saw the name pop up), they didn't fly that particular model in the IJA until late 1942. This perhaps an earlier model? Only reason I ask that is the aircraft database only reflects the Ki-44IIb.

May not be much, but I figured it was worth passing on.

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:32 am

There is one wing of them. Experimental aircraft.

pad152 · Post by **pad152** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:00 am

The Alaska is a listed as CA class ship in scen#15 it should be a BC[8|]

Pascal_slith · Post by **Pascal_slith** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:57 am

As indicated in a number of previous threads, a number of island groups in the Central/Eastern Pacific are missing, and were important historically. This is especially so for the Society Islands (Tahiti, Bora-Bora). Bora-Bora was a major early war US Navy base. Also a number of islands west of India are missing where the British maintained a few important bases.

Currently in the process of downloading. Another 1hr 48 minutes to go!

2Stepper · Post by **2Stepper** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:21 pm

I'm not so sure about the Maldives as a worthy addition. JMHO on that, but while they were necessary bases for the british, their bases on Sri Lanka and mainland India were the big money for them. Bora-Bora might be easier to adjust though. Course that's said from a complete lay persons perspective with regards to programming. LOL!

All in all, I'm pretty impressed with the map...

Question for Frag though on an earlier reply you gave me... You said the Ki-44IIb Tojo's were a single experimental group of planes... That mean I might get a wing of say P38A model fighters to play with in say Feb 1942? LOL!![:D][8D]

Hey, it's a nice thought... and it is only fair. LOL! Japs get to play with their new toys early, why not me?

dwesolick · Post by **dwesolick** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:30 pm

Johnston Island is spelled correctly on the base screen, but as "Johnson" Island on the map.

Also, not a typo but it would be nice if the name Milne Bay were used in place of Gili Gili...sounds so much better. Gili Gili sounds Silly Silly.[:'(]

2Stepper · Post by **2Stepper** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:53 pm

ORIGINAL: dwesolick

Johnston Island is spelled correctly on the base screen, but as "Johnson" Island on the map.

Also, not a typo but it would be nice if the name Milne Bay were used in place of Gili Gili...sounds so much better. Gili Gili sounds Silly Silly.[:'(]

Ya, but... but... its such a nice walk down memory lane to my FLATTOP playing days... LOL! "Yessssss, we love having the "precious"..." LOL!

Brady · Post by **Brady** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:48 pm

Not shure if this is nescessarly OOB related but, in the Toturial while playing as Americans, al the Bettys and P1Y's that atacked my ships in day and in Night used bombs, no torpedo ataks were made, even when they launched from just a couple hexs away.

IanLister · Post by **IanLister** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:56 pm

I don't know how accurately the leaders are supposed to be portrayed, but "Admiral" Wavell? You've got to get him right. James Somerville was one of the RN's best - can he be beefed up a bit? Of course, you guys don't have much to do right now...............................[;)]

Ron Saueracker · Post by **Ron Saueracker** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:10 pm

ORIGINAL: McNaughton

British Empire Corrections.

#1. Malaya Command:

A) All Bases in Malaya should be under this command, and not Southeast Asia.

B) All Units/HQs in Malaya should be under Malaya Command or III Indian Corps command, not Southeast Asia.

#2. Aircraft HQs:

A) All Air Squadrons should be under the command of one of the Aircraft Groups (221 Group, 223 Group or 224 Group) not Southeast Asia.

#3. Aircraft:

A) Hurricane II should be Hurricane IIB equipped with 8x .303 Brownings now 4x 20mm Guns

B) Walrus should be added, and given to RN BB, CA, CL capable of recon aircraft. Every other nation has their ships equipped with recon aircraft except for the British. This is a major penalty on them, as the capability to scout out enemy fleets is limited.

#4. Equipment:

A) The Vickers Mark VI Light Tank should be added, and equipped with the Indian Tank Brigades, not Grant or Stuart tanks (Grant tanks have not yet been sent to England at this point, and Stuart tanks were only in North Africa until the arrival of the 7th Armoured Brigade)

#5. Ships

A) The Queen Elizabeth and Valiant should be equipped with 20x 4.5" DP guns, instead of the 6" SP and 4" DP guns.

B) The King George V class should have their aft 14" Batter facing the rear, instead of forward.

QE and Valiant are OK in my BETA build. I wonder if this is a retail version booboo.

Becket · Post by **Becket** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:27 pm

The Soviet OOB in the Manchuria scenario has some problems. None of the HQ units I checked have their historic commander -- for example, the Far East Command, Trans Baikal Front, !st Far Eastern Front, and 2nd Far Eastern Front all have the same 0 Inspiration commander instead of Vasilevsky, Malinovsky, Meretskov and Purkayev, respectively. (I was really looking forward to controlling Vasilevsky's Far East Command.) Also, all units roll up into Far East Command instead of the appropriate Front. For example, 2d Red Banner Army should be under 2nd Far Eastern Front, with that Front falling under Far East Command, but instead 2d Red Banner Army falls directly under Far East Command.

Time to fire up the editor, I suppose. [:)]

Source: Glantz, who else? [:)] Leavenworth Papers 7 -- August Storm

Becket · Post by **Becket** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:56 pm

Hmm. Oddly, in the editor, 2d Red Banner Army is listed as one of 2d Far Eastern Front's attached units. In the game, it's attached to Far Eastern Command.

Couldn't figure out how to edit commanders in the editor. Maybe I should read the manual or something.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:33 pm

There are a few errors regarding the armament of the CAs of the Myoko and Takao class.

The Myoko class had a Torpedo armament of 2x4 tubes left and right with a total ammunition of 24 torpedos (16 in the tubes and 8 in reserve). This refit took place in 1939-1941 (the Myoko the last to finish it).

The Takao class looked different too:

The refit of Takao and Atago couldn't be finished before the war started
They also had only 24 torpedos just like the Myoko-class. Their secondary armament was still the four single 12-cm HA guns. The ships were equipped with the four twin 12.7 cm mounts in May 1942.

Chokai and Maya couldn't be refitted before the war started.
Armament:
secondary guns: four single 12-cm HA guns (Chokai till sunk in 1944!!, Maya till conversion to AA-cruiser)
Torpedo: they kept their 4 twin mounts with 24 torpedos. (Chokai till sunk in 1944, Maya till conversion to AA-cruiser. She then got the 4 quad mounts but without reserve torpedos).

Source: Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War, Eric Lacroix and Linton Wells II

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... s&n=507846

Pascal_slith · Post by **Pascal_slith** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:59 pm

ORIGINAL: Marc

Source: Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War, Eric Lacroix and Linton Wells II

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... s&n=507846

Best darn source around on the Japanese Cruisers of WWII. Plus some excellent information that you can carry over to other types of units in the IJN.

Svar · Post by **Svar** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:46 pm

In scenario #10 which starts in 4 Jan 1945 there are 4 US cruisers missing. The Baltimore class heavy cruisers Canberra and Chicago are missing and the Cleveland class light cruisers Houston and Atlanta are missing. This might be a result of the rule replacing American and Australian CAs with either Baltimore class CAs or Cleveland class CLs as all but Atlanta were named for lost CAs.

akbrown · Post by **akbrown** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 12:53 am

Hi,

I just got the game and loaded it up. It looks very nice, but the map of Australia looks fictional. There are roads and railways in places they neever were, and real ones missing.

Does anyone know what the Australian map was based on?

Is there a way to modify it?

Any comments from Aussie playtesters. Was the map discussed? Am I missing someting?

Thanks.

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