OOB Comments

[Fallschirmjager]

C-46 is missing. Over 4000 were built and they served exclusivly in the Pacific. They are superior in every aspect to the C-47 and should be in the game.

Tabby is not in the game. Over 500 were built or purchased by Japan which is a large number for Japan of anything.

75mm armed B-25 are not in the game. This isnt as important but they are one of the coolest aricraft on earth and should be included. They were the bane of airfields and anything up to DD size.

Rockets are not in the game!!!
I can understand OOB errors but this is simply mind boggling. Rockets from mid 43 on destroyed hundreds of ships and land units. There is no reason what so ever that every allied FB and small LB in the game should not be able to carry rockets.
The British used over 400,000 just in the final push through Burma in 1945 alone.

[Brady]

"Tabby is not in the game. 450 were built by Japan which is a large number for Japan of anything"

Not to be anal, but their were a bit over 500 altogether, when you include those purchased, at war star their were a bit over 100 in service allready.

[MadDawg]

This is sorta an OOB thing so I figured Id post it here guys [:)]

Out of interest, why are the 800kg bombs currently only used on the first turn as I know they were at least used on Darwin too (see below). Maybe there should be some sort of random roll (with a very small chance) to see if they are used on a port if there are a lot of ships there?

TAKESHI MAEDA, FORMER BOMBER NAVIGATOR, TRANSLATION: Early in the morning on February 19, bomber planes departed from aircraft carriers. Just before 8 o'clock, the planes were above Darwin. Then we targeted and I dropped an 800kg bomb. It was a huge bomb, the biggest one we had.

http://www.milkbar.com.au/milkbar-old/Ma/hajime.htm

Dawg

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: McNaughton

A few Dutch vessels are missing.

Janssens (Submarine Tender)
2000 tons
2x 50mm AA, 4x 0.5 Calibur AAMG
11 kts

Poolster (MTB Tender)
1500 tons
1x 75mm L/40 AA, 2x 0.5 Calibur AAMG
12 kts

Queen Wilhelmina (Former USN Subchaser PC 461-class)
335 tons
1x 76mm L/50 AA, 1x 40mm Bofors, 5x 20mm AA
20 kts

Soemba (Gunboat)
1800 tons
3x 5.9inch, 1x 75mm AA, 4x 0.5 Calibur AAMG
15 kts

Willem van der Zaan (Minelayer)
1400 tons
2x 120mm SP, 4x 40mm Bofors, 4x 0.5 Calibur AAMG, 120 mines
16 kts

Everyone is adding more and more ships, air units and LCUs which served in the PTO at some point to the missing from OOB thread. Problem is...there is no way to remove any at the moment. Once the allied ships (and this goes for land and air units as well) are in, they are in for good with the exception of RN ships. The biggest impact is merchant shipping. Many of the merchants spent much of the war in the Atlantic and Med, but because they served at some point in the Pacific, the Allies get a huge shipping advantage. Some sort of random shipping (LCU and Air Unit) withdrawl requirement may be necessary to alleviate this potential imbalance.

[SamRo]

fix pows guns, nice new Jpg for Repulse adding the flying bridge + some walruses & maybe som RFA stuff and im content...

[PeteG662]

The SSVF Brigade unit is missing the name of the "item" after the number of support troops. It is on the Malay peninsula if you want to check it in Scenario 15.

[Brady]

MadDawg, the 800KG bombs are used when ever Japan makes a port atack, by Navy planes, Nells , Bettys included.


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Ron, I was woundering about this, that and the fairly generious capacitys given to the Allied freighters, interesting considering the advantages the allies laready have, and the down sized Japanese merchant fleat.

[MadDawg]

Thanks for the info Brady! In a thread recently I got the impression they were only used on day one [:)]

[McNaughton]

Here are some more aircraft types that should probably be included.


??? - Walrus I (seaplane)
1x Wpn 149 F
1x Wpn 149 TT
1x Wpn 203 XT
MaxSpd 135
CruSpd ??
Climb ??
Alt 17090
Man ??
Dur ??
End 600
Arm 0
Load 760
Month 09
Year 35
Rate ??
Pool 0
Upgrade ??? (Walrus I)


126 - Hurricane IIA (fighter)
8x Wpn 150 F
BitMap 126
MaxSpd 340
CruSpd 235
Climb 3150
Alt 41000
Man 31
Dur 29
End 110
Arm 2
Load 0
Month 10
Year 40
Rate 60
Pool 0
Upgrade ??? (Hurricane IIC)


??? - Hurricane IIC (fighter-bomber)
4x Wpn 160 F
2x Wpn 203 XT
BitMap ???
MaxSpd 314
CruSpd 230
Climb 2670
Alt 32500
Man 30
Dur 29
End 110
Arm 2
Load 1000
Month
Year 43
Rate 60
Pool 0
Upgrade 127

(Here are some other graphics which could be corrected)


Short Singapore (Floatplane)


Dutch Mitchell (Bomber)


RAAF Mitchell (Bomber)


RAF Boston (Bomber)



RAF Liberator (Bomber)

[Don Bowen]

Excellent! Do you have the "tops" as well??

Don

ORIGINAL: McNaughton

Here are some more aircraft types that should probably be included.

[Ron Saueracker]

Yeah, great job.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: McNaughton

I did some research into the Royal Navy, and it appears by 1941 only one FAA squadron dealt with onboard flying boats. The 700 Squadron.

S1/700 Squadron equipped with 2x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3168 Prince of Wales
S2/700 Squadron equipped with 2x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3174 Warspite
S3/700 Squadron equipped with 2x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3175 Valiant
S4/700 Squadron equipped with 1x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3180 Resolution
S5/700 Squadron equipped with 2x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3181 Repulse
S6/700 Squadron equipped with 1x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3215 Dorsetshire
S7/700 Squadron equipped with 3x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3218 Devonshire
S8/700 Squadron equipped with 3x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3221 Cornwall
S9/700 Squadron equipped with 2x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3222 Exeter
S10/700 Squadron equipped with 1x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3229 Leander
S11/700 Squadron equipped with 1x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3230 Achilles
S12/700 Squadron equipped with 1x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3238 Enterprise
S13/700 Squadron equipped with 1x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3239 Emerald
S14/700 Squadron equipped with 2x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3249 Maritius
S15/700 Squadron equipped with 3x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3255 Birmingham
S16/700 Squadron equipped with 3x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3256 Glasgow
S17/700 Squadron equipped with 3x 248 : Walrus, on board the 3257 Newcastle
S4/9 Squadron RAAF equipped with 1x 110 : SOC-1 Seagull, on board the 3235 Perth
S5/9 Squadron RAAF equipped with 1x 110 : SOC-1 Seagull, on board the 3236 Hobart

The Australian Naval Floatplane was the Seagull V - an all metal version of the Walrus. Same name as the SOC-1 but essentially a Walrus. As I recall, the Walrus was actually based on the Seagull V.

Don

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: McNaughton

Here are some things I have found...

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The 3rd NZ Division was the 8th and 14th Brigade, and was never at full strength. Currently, the game has not only a full strength 3rd NZ Division, but also an 8th Brigade. That means the New Zealand Pacific force is an entire two brigades of Infantry overstrength.

There was also the Fijian Infantry Brigade (originally named the Fiji Defense Force). It was at Fiji with the 8th NZ at the beginning of the war (represented by the 108 "light" squads in the 8th in the Scenario 15 OOB). It stayed on Fiji when the 8th left (replaced by American Troops) and some Fiji units subsequently served in the Solomons.

I agree that the 3rd NZ Division should be removed but it should be replaced by the Fijian Brigade (or 1st Fiji). I'm also looking into the 5th NZ Nrigade - I believe this unit served in the Middle East with the 2nd NZ Division, not in the Pacific. There was also the 16th NZ Brigade, formed from a mixture of NZ Territorial Troops and Tongans, used in the defense of rear area bases (Tonga, Norfolk Island, others??). This is probably represented in the multitude of Base Forces.

Don

[McNaughton]

No, I haven't got aircraft tops for these yet, but am planning on modifying existing ones for their use.

Re: Seagulls

I guess the reason I put them on board was because other Australian cruisers had them on board. In light of the Seagull-Walrus thing, maybe all Australian patrol aircraft should be Walrus?

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: McNaughton

No, I haven't got aircraft tops for these yet, but am planning on modifying existing ones for their use.


Looking forward to them - the sides are excellent!


Re: Seagulls

I guess the reason I put them on board was because other Australian cruisers had them on board. In light of the Seagull-Walrus thing, maybe all Australian patrol aircraft should be Walrus?

I think they should. See: http://www.adf-serials.com/2a2.shtml

[Admiral Chaos2]

Japanese HQ's. The Combined Fleet is attached to the Southern Area Army. The Combined Fleet should be attached to the Imperial General Headquarters, which does not exist, unless it is the Home Defense HQ. None of the fleet HQ's are attached to the Combined Fleet.[;)]

[Andy Mac]

Shouldnt 7th Armoured Bde be withdrawn at some stage ?

[Splinterhead]

No. 5 RNZAF should start with 4 Singapores (not Hudsons) and upgrade to PBYs in Scenario 15.

[DrewMatrix]

Similar to what people have been saying about the 2nd Marine Div, I think the Americal Division is "arriving too soon." It is present, as a complete division Feb 7, 1942 (in the West Coast US).

In the histories I find (http://www.americal.org/ambook.shtml and http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/OOB ... ision.html for example) the Americal has only a portion of its infantry and lacks divisional artillery at that time. Other units arrive April 19 (Arrive in New Caledonia so they are in the West Coast US maybe last week of March) and the unit becomes a division (as opposed to a bunch of regiments and artillery batteries) May 1942.

Is it even possible to start units like the Americal and 2nd Marines as Divided units (Americal/A arriving, then /B then /C)? Or maybe have these units arrive very short of their TOE so it takes time for them to get to full strength.

[Bulldog61]

The Americal Arrived in independent regiments and was formed on New Caledonia. As things stand the there is no way to start a unit broken down. You could show it with seperate regiments and the HQ similar to UV but the db would need to be expanded. Perhaps having it arrive at about 1/2 strength is the best compromise.