ABDA Oil

[Chris21wen]

I've just add up the total amout of oil in Aus = 2165.

[freeboy]

that is a nice figure, care to share the DATE?

[Twotribes]

I dont see the point. It takes days to load all the Oil since it doesnt all go to a single port, in the mean time you can have loaded a TK in 2 days and have it on its way to Australia. Useing one TK every 30 days is fine as it is excess anyway. Waiting around to load a TK with oil the rest of the time is wasting resources and time.

[Chris21wen]

2 nov 1943. Note I'm play sen 12 which starts 28 June 1943 and I have not transported any oil anywhere.

[pompack]

Think of it this way:

Once a month I have to send 3X supplies and X fuel to Oz (my ratio, your's may vary but the principle remains).

I can send 3X supplies by AK and X fuel by tanker

OR

I can send 2X supplies by AK and X OIL by tanker and have a few supplies to spare.

Whatever the ratio, I have used less shipping and the loss of US HI doesn't matter because I have fuel and supplies going to waste on the West Coast (US).

[tsimmonds]

Clearly far more trouble than it's worth. You're right, it's not as if those AKs could be useful for anything but hauling supplies from the West Coast to Oz.....[;)]

[Twotribes]

Your ignoring the fact that the oil doesnt arrive in large numbers at any port, except the starting excess you will only see a few thousand oil at any port and that will be drawn down by loading it. You will waste time waiting around to load it and you wont be producing any HI ( though not sure that even matters). It is quicker to send the AK and TK loaded with supplies and Fuel to Australia.

It is Early April 42 in my scenario 15 and Noumea is loaded to the top with fuel and Australia has about 200,000 fuel between Brisbane and Sydney. more than enough for any operations I intend to conduct. Supplies are lighter. About 150k Supply in Australia and around 300K in Noumea. Why waste time with drawing oil to send?

[Buck Beach]

One of the tricks to loading oil is to form the TF at the port that produces oil and not set a destination and click do not unload. The TF will load the oil stored at the port and the oil produced/accumulated that turn. I think it loads at 4000 tons per turn. The tricky part is that if the tanker sucks the port dry that turn you you have to give in orders the next turn to load it again. The oil shows on the tanker as a red (I think I am color blind) number in the fuel loaded on the tanker. When full or where the next load will fill the hole set the destination to where it can be used and click unload again. Do the same for your AKs loading resources but be careful not to forget and click the load supplies on a subsequent turn.

As I understand in oil is not only used for fuel production, it is needed for industry.

I am still trying to figure out the excess oil produced in the US to ship to Oz. I am sure I'm sending too much at times but don't know what to look for, for any negative effect. My supplies at SanFran are 999,999 but I don't think that is all I need to worry about by sending too much. If any body has an answer to this I would appreciate it. Someone mentioned like the US only had 450 excess per turn but if I'm loading 4000 per turn it is stealing it from being used somewhere.

Buck

[Central Blue]

Twotribes....

I'm in early May '42 and I note that the oils seems to pile up in San Diego on the order of 25-27,000 every 30-40 days. When it gets that high I drain it off with one of the big oilers.

I like to think of this as one more little obsessive detail to manage rather than wasting time.

[BartM]

I'll bleed the dutch east indies dry and send anything I can to OZ, this in turns leaves very little for the Japaneese when they capture it. Shorter trip then west coast to OZ.

Palembang starts out with 700 oil and 900 resources, send tankers and AKs there, and as
Buck mentioned, set them to load, and "DO NOT UNLOAD". as oil and resources are being made, they will load it, once full, send them to OZ, click "UNLOAD CARGO" and your set
Batavia
Soerabaja
Balikpapan
Tarakan

as some others, very close to OZ, and you have time unless against a very agressive player to evacuate all that oil and resources, leaving Japan to sit and wait (and of course target with B-17's to damage once you loose them).

This gives the US some time to store up their oil and resources and you can easily send a first run of supplies and fuel to OZ from here, basically bloating OZ tremendously

[madflava13]

I'm not seeing Resources/Oil I dumped in Derby/Darwin from the DEI being moved by the rail/road net. Sydney is out of fuel right now, and I thought the supply routines would move oil from other bases to the refining sites... Anyone else seeing this?

[Mr.Frag]

I'm not seeing Resources/Oil I dumped in Derby/Darwin from the DEI being moved by the rail/road net. Sydney is out of fuel right now, and I thought the supply routines would move oil from other bases to the refining sites... Anyone else seeing this?

Too far to pull, Townsville is more like it.

[Twotribes]

Yes I discovered that Darwin is to far away, even though the rules just say it needs a land rail connection. You need to move the oil and resources to the south,

[Mr.Frag]

Rules are correct ... maximum travel over rail is 50 hexes.

[Captain Cruft]

You might also like to think about sending some of the black stuff from the DEI to India, which is also short.

[PeteG662]

Just East of Palembang is a nice resource base on that island which can use a bunch of AKs but also under the watchful eye of Jap air.....it may be worth it to get the Resources out of there though!