Hi, PH is worth 3k to Japan so in order for it's capture to help auto victory Japan needs to lose fewer then 750 points in taking it. If the final result is 3k for PH plus 2k for sinking allied ships and killing material but Allies score 1251 points or more they win. (no auto victory )
I went back and counted it up: the Japanese will get an automatic victory on January 1st, 1943 unless the Allies can turn back the IJA or IJN somewhere in late 1942. Now, if I can start sinking some of his carriers or battleships with my land-based bombers, it would help even more. The key is to hold the gate for the next eleven months while I go to work on other areas.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
If the screen shot Zeta posted 9/27 hasn't been altered, Allied intel say 94 IJN ships sunk 1793 pts, vs. 2204 pts/69 ships worth of Allied shipping lost. Of course, Allied Intel reports usually are woeful in understating the enemy shipping losses - so I'm guessing the Allies are even or perhaps ahead in naval sunk points, despite other claims. Total score looks like 9212 Allies 7580 in that post.
This strikes me not as Lawrence of Arabia but more like the Dardanelles/Gallipoli campaign. It needs to have surprise (which is lost now with all the boasting) and it needs to be done in a way that isn't a straight out attrition, because once there is a war of attrition the allies win. So like the plans for Gallipoli, captuirng PHhas to be done from the blue, once the other side has figured out that you're heading for PH/Constantiople, then the cost of achieving it becomes too high.
I think Lawrence and Stonewall would agree with that -- once the enemy knows what you're doing, he's most of the way to stopping and beating you.
Yep - assuming that the screen shot is correct. Of course, the IJN would also bag the ships in there for a few hundred points more. I think the Allied points for IJN ships sunk is low, though.
This strikes me not as Lawrence of Arabia but more like the Dardanelles/Gallipoli campaign. It needs to have surprise (which is lost now with all the boasting) and it needs to be done in a way that isn't a straight out attrition, because once there is a war of attrition the allies win. So like the plans for Gallipoli, captuirng PHhas to be done from the blue, once the other side has figured out that you're heading for PH/Constantiople, then the cost of achieving it becomes too high.
There needs to be a different version of the scenario made so the bulk of the units are in eastern Japan rather than Formosa, Hainan, and Indo-China. This way the Japanese can really get down toward PH faster. Ideally, the invasions of Hilo and Lahaina should begin within a few days. Right now a player can strike at Malay and the Phillippines quickly, but not the Pacific.
PH has to be captured for Hirohito's plan to work. He thought he "might" be able to take PH down the road without a big commitment. This is wishful thinking. You either have to commit to take it, or accept that the Allies will hold it. There will be no victory on the cheap.
Now with Hirohito's plan, the Allies have a major 10-10 forward base right in the middle of his lines. The Allied player can build up a large force here unmolested and then strike at Johnson or Midway. From here they continue on to the Marshall and beyond. The only hope for Hirohito is to deny the Allies the use of that forward base. Have the Allies use San Diego as their launching pad for invasions. It's a long way away from there to the Pacific islands.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
I can't give you the exact score but it is in the range of 20,000 to 5,000.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
Hi, Yes it is a long way from SF to PH. The Allies will need to make the trip 1 time.
It will be in mid/late 1943.
The only hope of this plan is Auto Victory before then.
The Allies are not going to do anything major before then. That is the great miscalculation the entire plan is based on. Grabbing this line that the Allies will beat themselves to death against. If Japan sat at Kwajalean the Allied player would sit at PH. When the Allied player finally moved it would be in mid/late 1943.
What impact this has on other areas is much more important. Can the Allied player still run supply and units to Australia. If so the plan is a total bust.
Losing 1/3 of the IJN to prevent something that is not going to occur makes no sense.
When the Allied player does come the IJN will be reduced by at least 1/3 making the Allied job that much easier.
The VP awarded for a base only count towards victory if they make up a portion of the required ratio. 4-1 in 43 3-1 in 44 2-1 in 45/46. Victory points mean nothing unless you have enough to win (or avoid losing) Giving the Allied player 1-1 in VP in 1942 is suicide.
Base VP do not count in this calculation (they change back and forth. Material destroyed points always count in your total)
It's too soon to tell because I have not heard if Allied player is able to run supply to Oz. If he can get 1 run of 100k supply and 100k fuel Japan is finished. After he stocks the west coast the excess airgroups can all go to OZ as well.
The Allied player should just forget PH till 1943 and instead move to secure a base for B-17 in SRA. (Ambonia or Kendari) He should be able between the RN the Dutch and USN to collect a force larger then anything the IJN can send after losing so much early on and with so many ships being repaired.
(I really wish Hirohito had played me in PBEM so I could see this plan in action.)(I do have a "Rampage" Japanese early plan but it does not involve capturing bases with the intent of keeping them.)
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
Hi, Yes it is a long way from SF to PH. The Allies will need to make the trip 1 time.
It will be in mid/late 1943.
No, they will need to do it more than once. There is something called "supply" and "fuel" in the game. Grabbing Suva isn't going to be enough. You've got to resupply Suva and build up a force to grab the next island. This will take time.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
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TF 10 encounters mine field at Midway (95,61)
Japanese Ships
DD Hayate
DD Shirayuki
DD Isonami
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Night Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Pearl Harbor at 112,68
Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuyuki
Allied Ships
AK Knoxville City, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Pearl Harbor at 112,68
Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
PT PT-44, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-45
PT PT-46
PT PT-47
PT PT-48
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Day Air attack on Kuala Lumpur , at 23,46
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25
Ki-21 Sally x 59
Ki-46-II Dinah x 7
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51
Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 9
Ki-27 Nate x 8
Ki-51 Sonia x 25
Ki-21 Sally x 10
Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Ki-27 Nate x 28
Ki-21 Sally x 32
Ki-48 Lily x 17
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 14000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 69
B5N Kate x 11
G4M1 Betty x 21
Ki-15 Babs x 4
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 4
Allied Ships
BB West Virginia, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Allen, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
8 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
2 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 63rd Chinese Corps, at 42,39
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 9
E7K2 Alf x 8
Ki-27 Nate x 29
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 4
Ki-51 Sonia x 20
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
20 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
8 x E7K2 Alf bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 51st Chinese Corps, at 46,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 32
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 8
Ki-51 Sonia x 20
Ki-15 Babs x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-15 Babs: 2 destroyed
Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 108,35
Allied aircraft
B-18A Bolo x 12
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AV Kamikawa Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 5000 feet
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Ground combat at Nandi
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 4606 troops, 30 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8982 troops, 57 guns, 1 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Allied ground losses:
1 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Yenen
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 79013 troops, 938 guns, 11 vehicles
Defending force 58511 troops, 410 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese ground losses:
6969 casualties reported
Guns lost 161
Vehicles lost 6
Allied ground losses:
264 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
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Ground combat at Tuguegarao
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 14635 troops, 238 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8738 troops, 87 guns, 5 vehicles
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/23/42
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Sub attack at 130,54
Japanese Ships
SS I-21
Allied Ships
AK Andrea Luckenbach, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kodiak at 108,34
Allied Ships
AK Regulus, Shell hits 21, and is sunk
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Coastal Guns at Rabaul, 61,88, firing at TF 131
TF 131 troops unloading over beach at Rabaul, 61,88
34 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PC Toshi Maru #3, Shell hits 2
Japanese ground losses:
378 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Coastal Guns at Rabaul, 61,88, firing at TF 131
TF 131 troops unloading over beach at Rabaul, 61,88
55 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PC Tama Maru #8
Japanese ground losses:
183 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on Kuala Lumpur , at 23,46
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25
Ki-21 Sally x 43
Ki-46-II Dinah x 8
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51
Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 5
Ki-27 Nate x 6
Ki-51 Sonia x 24
Ki-21 Sally x 7
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-27 Nate x 32
Ki-21 Sally x 33
Ki-48 Lily x 18
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 14000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 14000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 14000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 71
B5N Kate x 6
G4M1 Betty x 16
Ki-15 Babs x 4
Allied Ships
AS Pelias, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 13
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 63rd Chinese Corps, at 42,39
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 9
E7K2 Alf x 6
Ki-27 Nate x 32
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 4
Ki-51 Sonia x 20
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
20 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
6 x E7K2 Alf bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 80th Chinese Corps, at 46,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 32
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 8
Ki-51 Sonia x 20
Ki-15 Babs x 1
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 46,49
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Ki-27 Nate x 21
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6
B-17C Fortress x 3
Japanese Ships
PC Shonan Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
No Japanese losses
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Ground combat at Nandi
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 4603 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8942 troops, 54 guns, 1 vehicles
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Ground combat at Yenen
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 716 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 58372 troops, 404 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
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Ground combat at Tuguegarao
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 14712 troops, 239 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8757 troops, 88 guns, 5 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 2590 troops, 29 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 11300 troops, 111 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
Hi, Yes it is a long way from SF to PH. The Allies will need to make the trip 1 time.
It will be in mid/late 1943.
No, they will need to do it more than once. There is something called "supply" and "fuel" in the game. Grabbing Suva isn't going to be enough. You've got to resupply Suva and build up a force to grab the next island. This will take time.
Hi, I think you know exactly what I mean by 1 time and that I was not refering to supply convoys later.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
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Day Air attack on 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps, at 46,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 32
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 8
Ki-51 Sonia x 20
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 99th Chinese Corps, at 50,26
Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 47,49
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 5
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6
B-17C Fortress x 2
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Inazuma
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 46,49
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
Ki-27 Nate x 22
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6
B-17C Fortress x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 8 destroyed
Japanese Ships
PG Kure Maru #5
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 11265 troops, 109 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 4197 troops, 41 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2
Japanese ground losses:
304 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at Tuguegarao
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 18529 troops, 239 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8738 troops, 87 guns, 5 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2
Japanese ground losses:
296 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at 50,32
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 42643 troops, 565 guns, 7 vehicles
Defending force 12450 troops, 87 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 245 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1
Allied ground losses:
803 casualties reported
Guns lost 26
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Nandi
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 11292 troops, 56 guns, 111 vehicles
Defending force 9004 troops, 55 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese ground losses:
852 casualties reported
Guns lost 23
Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
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Ground combat at Yenen
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 75583 troops, 786 guns, 2 vehicles
Defending force 58461 troops, 405 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
157 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1378 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10916 troops, 97 guns, 0 vehicles
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/25/42
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TF 109 encounters mine field at Tarakan (33,61)
Japanese Ships
MSW Toroshima Maru
MSW Tomozono Maru #3
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TF 109 encounters mine field at Tarakan (33,61)
Japanese Ships
MSW Toroshima Maru
MSW Tomozono Maru #3
Allied Ships
DD Cummings, and is sunk
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Day Air attack on 63rd Chinese Corps, at 42,39
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 9
E7K2 Alf x 5
Ki-27 Nate x 31
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3
Ki-51 Sonia x 19
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Allied ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
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Day Air attack on 57th Chinese Corps, at 46,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 32
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 8
Ki-51 Sonia x 20
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 42,49
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6
B-17C Fortress x 5
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Eli Maru
AP Taimei Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 33,61
Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2
Martin 139 x 2
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
MSW Tomozono Maru #3
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Day Air attack on TF at 47,53
Allied aircraft
B-17C Fortress x 2
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Imizu Maru
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 46,49
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
Ki-27 Nate x 14
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6
B-17C Fortress x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 11054 troops, 101 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 4095 troops, 37 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1
Japanese ground losses:
293 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Allied ground losses:
155 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at Tuguegarao
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 18181 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8647 troops, 80 guns, 4 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese ground losses:
512 casualties reported
Guns lost 17
Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at Yenen
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 75882 troops, 795 guns, 2 vehicles
Defending force 58315 troops, 412 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
84 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1310 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10673 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
Hi, I think you know exactly what I mean by 1 time and that I was not refering to supply convoys later.
I know that PH is a size 10 point which makes it a lot easier to go the offensive in say the Marshalls or Marianas. What does a size 4 port in the middle Pacific give the Allies but a big headache? They need a big forward port to really get busy. Before that it will be a struggle.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
Hi, I don't think we are talking about the same thing.
The Allies in 1943 will use the US West Coast as a base for 1 offensive operation.
The target will be PH. After that they will use PH as a base for the next offensive.
The USN gets 6 CV in the first 7 months of the war. After that they wait another year before they get any CV lost back along with the first 3 Essex and 7 CVL. So by late 1943 no matter what Japan does the USN will have 10 CV and 7 CVL. This force will contain 1000 aircraft.
I'd just land on Midway to use as a staging base for the PH attack proper. Another 300 aircraft can deply there to help in the CAP and bomb prep for the assault and refuel all the ships. A few weeks of shooting down Japanese bombers from PH will of course take place.
This is what is going to happen. The only way to prevent it is to end the war by Auto Victory prior to it happening. And nothing here prevents the Allied player from doing parts of it sooner. (I think the USN can retake Midway prior to actually being ready to assault PH. )
If your point prediction is correct (20k to 5k) then the plan is a smashing success.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
Hi, I don't think we are talking about the same thing.
The Allies in 1943 will use the US West Coast as a base for 1 offensive operation.
The target will be PH. After that they will use PH as a base for the next offensive.
PH will likely be even stronger than Rabaul was. Can the Alllies eventually take it? Yes, but it will be very costly. They might even be able to starve the place out but that is way into the future, perhaps late 43.
I'd just land on Midway to use as a staging base for the PH attack proper. Another 300 aircraft can deply there to help in the CAP and bomb prep for the assault and refuel all the ships. A few weeks of shooting down Japanese bombers from PH will of course take place.
Yes, they can land on Midway but it is in the middle of nowhere and the port is small. It will take time. Then they will need to take PH. By then, they are where they were historically in 1942. Next they will move on the Marshalls but they are going to be behind schedule.
Honestly, I think this "Auto Victory" system needs a little work. Taking PH, sinking all the battleships, and cutting off the US from the rest of the Pacific would have actually put some pressure on the Americans to surrender. Sinking some dutch transports, keeping the Japanese carriers intact, and putting a division on Lunga would never had caused the US to surrender in 1943.
I mean, what happens if I lose all my carriers but take California? Or knock the Commonwealth out of war but lose all my battleships? This won't cause the Allies to come to the peace table because I've suffered too many losses and can't reach some magical ratio?
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
Hi, In terms of sinking Japanese warships the Allied player is already way ahead of 1942 actual numbers. The geographical points only matter if they place you into that magic Auto victory ratio. If they don't they are not important. When Japan runs out of ships the US player will retake all the bases. The US player will take PH much easier then the Japanese did. He can land all his assault troops in 1 or 2 movement phases. His assaults wil be covered by more aircraft. He will bring more units.
(count the number of US Div that arrive on West Coast before Mid 1943.)
The Japanese have to inflict more damage then they sustain. They have to measure the size of the 1943 USN and whittle it down to less then or equal to the 1943 IJN.
From start to finish the Allied player that scores 1-1 in killed troops aircraft ships is winning. The Japanese will run out of material long before the Allies do.
The whole point of this forward line of bases is that it can extract points from the Allies.
If however they cost more then they yield they lose points in the long run because it is the Allied player who will score the base points in the end.
The Japanese have a massive force at start. They can sail around anywhere and inflict damage. However in 1943 it will be the USN sailing around. With a force 2 or 3 times the size of the Japanese 1941 force. What you are doing now they will do then. Only they will do it better because they have more to start with and you have less to oppose them with.
Betty Daitai are disposable forces in 1943. They fly once and whatever damage they do is all they are going to do. Then you move in a fresh Daitai. As long as you have fresh Daitai you are going to have a chance of inflicting some damage but at the same time you are going to be yielding several hundred VP per turn in lost aircraft.
Of course all this is just speculation on my part and it remains to be seen if over the course of several games employing this strategy the Japanese can attain and maintain the Auto points or if the early expense pays back later.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
Hi, In terms of sinking Japanese warships the Allied player is already way ahead of 1942 actual numbers. The geographical points only matter if they place you into that magic Auto victory ratio. If they don't they are not important. When Japan runs out of ships the US player will retake all the bases. The US player will take PH much easier then the Japanese did. He can land all his assault troops in 1 or 2 movement phases. His assaults wil be covered by more aircraft. He will bring more units.
I get the Yamato Battleship in a few months. Can't wait to see what happens when I send her in against the Allied invasion ships!
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
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Naval bombardment of Tuguegarao, at 46,50
Japanese Ships
DD Harusame
DD Yamagumo
Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
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TF 152 troops unloading over beach at Apamama, 86,92
Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
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Sub attack at 47,48
Japanese Ships
PC Shonan Maru #17
PC Shonan Maru #1
PG Kure Maru #5
PG Chohakusan Maru
DD Harusame
DD Yamagumo
Allied Ships
SS S-39, hits 1
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Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 39
G4M1 Betty x 14
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 34
Ki-15 Babs x 3
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
P-40B Tomahawk x 2
Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
7 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on 89th Chinese Corps, at 46,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 32
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 8
Ki-51 Sonia x 20
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 71st PA Division, at 46,50
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
Ki-27 Nate x 40
Ki-21 Sally x 34
Ki-48 Lily x 21
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
144 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 2000 feet
20 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
27 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 1000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 1000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 47,48
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6
B-17C Fortress x 4
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
1 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 33,64
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 1
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
MSW Toroshima Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 10791 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 3864 troops, 34 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Tuguegarao
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 19074 troops, 197 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8325 troops, 73 guns, 3 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1
Japanese ground losses:
241 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Nandi
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 8777 troops, 33 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8854 troops, 46 guns, 2 vehicles
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Ground combat at Yenen
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 76152 troops, 802 guns, 2 vehicles
Defending force 58386 troops, 412 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at Apamama
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 717 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Apamama base !!!
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1310 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10767 troops, 80 guns, 0 vehicles
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/27/42
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Night Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 29
G4M1 Betty x 6
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 22
Ki-15 Babs x 3
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on 51st Chinese Corps, at 46,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 30
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 8
Ki-51 Sonia x 20
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 113,73
Allied aircraft
B-18A Bolo x 6
A-20B Boston x 3
B-17E Fortress x 18
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Shinshu Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AK Renzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Mikazuki
AK Showa Maru
DD Sawakaze
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 5000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 112,71
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 9
B-18A Bolo x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AK Hukko Maru, Shell hits 4
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 5000 feet
1 x P-39D Airacobra attacking at 100 feet
4 x P-39D Airacobra attacking at 100 feet
4 x P-39D Airacobra attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 112,72
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 14
A-20B Boston x 3
Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Nagisan Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A-20B Boston bombing at 1000 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 40,53
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6
B-17C Fortress x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Jinsai Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 109,52
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
D3A Val x 17
B5N Kate x 16
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Katrina Luckenbach, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 113,73
Allied aircraft
B-18A Bolo x 5
B-17E Fortress x 9
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AK Gyoun Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Mikazuki
AK Takegawa Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 113,73
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AK Shinshu Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 29,34
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
Ki-51 Sonia x 21
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Corregidor, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Naval bombardment of Rabaul, at 61,88
Japanese Ships
DD Shirakumo
DD Usugumo
DD Shinonome
DD Umikaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Nowaki
CL Isuzu
CA Chokai
Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1
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Ground combat at Tuguegarao
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 18805 troops, 193 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8215 troops, 72 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0
Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 8477 troops, 83 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 3759 troops, 32 guns, 2 vehicles
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Ground combat at Nandi
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 8902 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 8803 troops, 47 guns, 2 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Yenen
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 76342 troops, 809 guns, 3 vehicles
Defending force 58539 troops, 411 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1319 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10849 troops, 83 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
I get the Yamato Battleship in a few months. Can't wait to see what happens when I send her in against the Allied invasion ships!
She will get that catastrophic hit from a PT'S torpedo and blow up and sink in seconds.
Sorry I am just a PT fan no pun intended.
I must say you are giving this a hell of a ride and it is most enjoyable to read
as I like the chancy stick my neck out type gameply as Zeta knows.
The essence of military genius is to bring under
consideration all of the tendencies of the mind
and soul in combination towards the business of
war..... Karl von Clausewitz
