Codename Sydney, Mogami(J) vs sveint(A)
Moderators: wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami
RE: The Strangest Victory
Keep rationalizing...
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/16/42
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Day Air attack on TF at 68,109
Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 5
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Senkai Maru
AP Sakido Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Koumac at 67,111
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
SBD Dauntless x 10
Beaufort V-IX x 16
P-39D Airacobra x 10
A-20B Boston x 7
B-25C Mitchell x 48
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 3 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed
Japanese Ships
AP Nanrei Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatuha Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PG Yachiyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Amakusa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tanba Maru, Bomb hits 1
AP Teiryu Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AP Teiun Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Tatsuwa Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Tatsuho Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Tasmania Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tango Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Taizin Maru
Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Koepang
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3557 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1832 troops, 9 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2
Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/16/42
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Day Air attack on TF at 68,109
Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 5
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Senkai Maru
AP Sakido Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Koumac at 67,111
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
SBD Dauntless x 10
Beaufort V-IX x 16
P-39D Airacobra x 10
A-20B Boston x 7
B-25C Mitchell x 48
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 3 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed
Japanese Ships
AP Nanrei Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatuha Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PG Yachiyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Amakusa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tanba Maru, Bomb hits 1
AP Teiryu Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AP Teiun Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Tatsuwa Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Tatsuho Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Tasmania Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tango Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Taizin Maru
Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Koepang
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3557 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1832 troops, 9 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2
Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
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Arstavidios
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RE: The Strangest Victory
That makes a few Japanese transports turned into scrap metal. Are there a lot of Japanese troops in New Caledonia yet?
RE: The Strangest Victory
Hi, Over 100,000
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
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RE: The Strangest Victory
Just wanted to let you guys know I love the AAR. The back and forth is great and I love how you both explain your rational for your actions. You are both more aggressive then I am in general and it's good to see how others play it. Keep up the good work!
RE: The Strangest Victory
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/17/42
Hiryu is torpedoed and sinks. Timor surrenders.

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Sub attack at 71,107
Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arashi
Allied Ships
SS S-47
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Day Air attack on TF at 67,110
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
SBD Dauntless x 13
Kittyhawk I x 5
Beaufort V-IX x 18
P-39D Airacobra x 21
A-20B Boston x 11
B-25C Mitchell x 59
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Teiun Maru, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Yachiyo Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tango Maru, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatsuwa Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AP Nanrei Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tanba Maru, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Nitta Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AP Tasmania Maru, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Teiryu Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatsuho Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatuha Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground combat at Koepang
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 8529 troops, 70 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1742 troops, 3 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Koepang base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
Brewster 339D: 21 destroyed
Catalina I: 9 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Allied ground losses:
2040 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Hiryu is torpedoed and sinks. Timor surrenders.

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Sub attack at 71,107
Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arashi
Allied Ships
SS S-47
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Day Air attack on TF at 67,110
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
SBD Dauntless x 13
Kittyhawk I x 5
Beaufort V-IX x 18
P-39D Airacobra x 21
A-20B Boston x 11
B-25C Mitchell x 59
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Teiun Maru, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Yachiyo Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tango Maru, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatsuwa Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AP Nanrei Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tanba Maru, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Nitta Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AP Tasmania Maru, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Teiryu Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatsuho Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatuha Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground combat at Koepang
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 8529 troops, 70 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1742 troops, 3 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Koepang base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
Brewster 339D: 21 destroyed
Catalina I: 9 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Allied ground losses:
2040 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
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RE: The Strangest Victory
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/21/42
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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 74584 troops, 565 guns, 166 vehicles
Defending force 14076 troops, 39 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Soerabaja base !!!
Japanese ground losses:
272 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
Vehicles lost 1
Allied ground losses:
3326 casualties reported
Guns lost 18
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 74584 troops, 565 guns, 166 vehicles
Defending force 14076 troops, 39 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Soerabaja base !!!
Japanese ground losses:
272 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
Vehicles lost 1
Allied ground losses:
3326 casualties reported
Guns lost 18
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
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RE: The Strangest Victory
So what's the current number o CV's lost?
RE: The Strangest Victory
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/26/42
Noumea has been all quiet. The Dutch are still fighting. China is a rock - communist forces at Yenen refuse to budge to repeated Japanese assaults.
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Day Air attack on Koumac , at 67,111
Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 6
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 34
Kittyhawk I x 15
P-40E Warhawk x 21
B-17E Fortress x 68
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 13 destroyed, 1 damaged
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
125 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 70
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Ground combat at Yenen
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 252799 troops, 2200 guns, 289 vehicles
Defending force 135355 troops, 848 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9)
Japanese ground losses:
13786 casualties reported
Guns lost 180
Vehicles lost 5
Allied ground losses:
2672 casualties reported
Guns lost 73
Noumea has been all quiet. The Dutch are still fighting. China is a rock - communist forces at Yenen refuse to budge to repeated Japanese assaults.
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Day Air attack on Koumac , at 67,111
Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 6
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 34
Kittyhawk I x 15
P-40E Warhawk x 21
B-17E Fortress x 68
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 13 destroyed, 1 damaged
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
125 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 70
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Ground combat at Yenen
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 252799 troops, 2200 guns, 289 vehicles
Defending force 135355 troops, 848 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9)
Japanese ground losses:
13786 casualties reported
Guns lost 180
Vehicles lost 5
Allied ground losses:
2672 casualties reported
Guns lost 73
RE: The Strangest Victory
Hi, Japanese logistical report for 28 May 1942
On map
Supply total 2,240,781 (30k+ per day generated by active HI and produced at resource centers)
Fuel total 3,253,710
Resource 1,248,453
Oil 1,036,289
Arms (monthly production) 626
Vehicle (monthly production) 135
Aircraft engine (monthly production) 1624
Airframe (monthly production) 840 (+436rd)
On map
Supply total 2,240,781 (30k+ per day generated by active HI and produced at resource centers)
Fuel total 3,253,710
Resource 1,248,453
Oil 1,036,289
Arms (monthly production) 626
Vehicle (monthly production) 135
Aircraft engine (monthly production) 1624
Airframe (monthly production) 840 (+436rd)
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
RE: The Strangest Victory
It has been very very quiet lately. Mogami has been working on capturing the rest of DEI (Palembang still holds out).
But to my surprise he hasn't given up on Noumea!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/18/42
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Naval bombardment of Noumea, at 68,113
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 7 destroyed, 25 damaged
A-20B Boston: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 8 destroyed, 14 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 8 destroyed, 17 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 14 destroyed, 33 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed, 24 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze
DD Natsushio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Oyashio
DD Makigumo
DD Yugumo
CL Kinu
CL Jintsu
These CLs must be armed with nuclear rockets! [:o]
Allied ground losses:
256 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1
Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 18
Runway hits 166
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But to my surprise he hasn't given up on Noumea!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/18/42
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Naval bombardment of Noumea, at 68,113
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 7 destroyed, 25 damaged
A-20B Boston: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 8 destroyed, 14 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 8 destroyed, 17 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 14 destroyed, 33 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed, 24 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze
DD Natsushio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Oyashio
DD Makigumo
DD Yugumo
CL Kinu
CL Jintsu
These CLs must be armed with nuclear rockets! [:o]
Allied ground losses:
256 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1
Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 18
Runway hits 166
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RE: The Strangest Victory
Hi, Yes it is pretty strange. I bombed Noumea with TF containing 4 BB and did not hit the airfield at all. I bombarded it repeatedly to no effect (not 1 airfield hit or damaged AC) then I send a small TF to check for enemy shipping and it rocks the airfield. ([X(])
Where did you get the idea I was finished with Noumea?
Where did you get the idea I was finished with Noumea?
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
RE: The Strangest Victory
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/22/42
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Day Air attack on Noumea , at 68,113
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
Kittyhawk I x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 17
P-40E Warhawk x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 20 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 11 destroyed, 4 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed
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Day Air attack on 38th Division, at 67,111
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 3
B-17E Fortress x 18
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Here is the situation in New Caledonia. I'm reorganizing the submarines (so it doesn't matter if Mogami sees this). If I were him I'd be trying to evacuate but... seems he's dead set on taking the island. I'll be happy to fight over it - I don't have the capability to go on the offensive until I get Essex CVs but I sure can defend.
Also coming up next turn... a big surprise!

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Day Air attack on Noumea , at 68,113
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
Kittyhawk I x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 17
P-40E Warhawk x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 20 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 11 destroyed, 4 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed
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Day Air attack on 38th Division, at 67,111
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 3
B-17E Fortress x 18
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Here is the situation in New Caledonia. I'm reorganizing the submarines (so it doesn't matter if Mogami sees this). If I were him I'd be trying to evacuate but... seems he's dead set on taking the island. I'll be happy to fight over it - I don't have the capability to go on the offensive until I get Essex CVs but I sure can defend.
Also coming up next turn... a big surprise!

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RE: The Strangest Victory
Hi, I had to wait for airfields to build. Noumea is where the war will be decided.
I will expend every effort to capture it. (I intend to fight it out there even if it takes all summer)
I will expend every effort to capture it. (I intend to fight it out there even if it takes all summer)
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
The liberation of Chengting
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/23/42
Naval battle at Noumea - won't be the last one. I lose one destroyer and the CL St. Louis is heavily damaged but safely anchored in Noumea harbor. Japan loses several destroyers, one to a submarine and 2 of them sunk by air after the sun rises. B-17 continue to bombard the Japanese infantry in northern New Caledonia.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Noumea at 68,113
Radar helps here.
Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara
CA Mogami, Shell hits 2
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 1
CA Kinugasa
DD Isokaze, Shell hits 2
DD Yamagumo
DD Shigure
DD Harusame
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 3
DD Inazuma, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Sawakaze, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
CA Vincennes
CL St. Louis
CL Nashville
DD Gwin
DD Monssen
DD Aaron Ward
DD Russell
DD Henley, Shell hits 1
DD Patterson
DD Maury
DD Benham, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Perkins
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Noumea at 68,113
Allies are surprised.
Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara, Shell hits 2
CA Mogami
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 1
CA Kinugasa
DD Isokaze
DD Yamagumo, Shell hits 1
DD Shigure, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Harusame
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Inazuma, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sawakaze, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
CA Vincennes
CL St. Louis, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Nashville, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Gwin, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Monssen, Shell hits 2
DD Aaron Ward
DD Russell, Shell hits 1
DD Henley
DD Patterson, Shell hits 2
DD Maury
DD Benham, on fire
DD Perkins
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In other news... the Chinese are at it again with a two-pronged attack to liberate Chengting!
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Day Air attack on 51st Division, at 52,29
Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 53
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Naval battle at Noumea - won't be the last one. I lose one destroyer and the CL St. Louis is heavily damaged but safely anchored in Noumea harbor. Japan loses several destroyers, one to a submarine and 2 of them sunk by air after the sun rises. B-17 continue to bombard the Japanese infantry in northern New Caledonia.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Noumea at 68,113
Radar helps here.
Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara
CA Mogami, Shell hits 2
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 1
CA Kinugasa
DD Isokaze, Shell hits 2
DD Yamagumo
DD Shigure
DD Harusame
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 3
DD Inazuma, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Sawakaze, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
CA Vincennes
CL St. Louis
CL Nashville
DD Gwin
DD Monssen
DD Aaron Ward
DD Russell
DD Henley, Shell hits 1
DD Patterson
DD Maury
DD Benham, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Perkins
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Noumea at 68,113
Allies are surprised.
Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara, Shell hits 2
CA Mogami
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 1
CA Kinugasa
DD Isokaze
DD Yamagumo, Shell hits 1
DD Shigure, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Harusame
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Inazuma, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sawakaze, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
CA Vincennes
CL St. Louis, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Nashville, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Gwin, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Monssen, Shell hits 2
DD Aaron Ward
DD Russell, Shell hits 1
DD Henley
DD Patterson, Shell hits 2
DD Maury
DD Benham, on fire
DD Perkins
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In other news... the Chinese are at it again with a two-pronged attack to liberate Chengting!
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Day Air attack on 51st Division, at 52,29
Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 53
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

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RE: The liberation of Chunking
Chunking or Chengting ?
RE: The liberation of Chengting
Ooops Edited to say Chengting
RE: The liberation of Chengting
Hi, ALl I will say about China is, If the Japanese destroy another Chinese Army they are going to advance to Chungking. Get back on your side of the RR or I'll do something you regret.
I have no plans to try to win the war in China but I won't let the Chinese push me around.
I have no plans to try to win the war in China but I won't let the Chinese push me around.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
RE: The liberation of Chengting
How will you take Chunking if you cannot even take Yenen?
RE: The liberation of Chengting
Hi, We will see


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I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!


