March 28: Its a race to Chungking as the Chinese forces are withdrawing to Chungking and Kweiyang. Only 180 miles to go. My troops are fully supplied and moving at a good clip although it was interesting that my tropps moved half as slow when enemy units occupied their destination hex. Once they moved out my troops immediately sped up. I did not know that enemy units affected the movement rate.
I have no way of knowing how desparate the Chinese situation is. It all depends on what kind of supply stockpile they have mannaged to save. But unless my math is wrong they must be burning off their reserves. Although who knows their could be some unknown game feature which is giving them more supply than I suspect. The passivity of the Chinese ground forces over the past month would indicate that they are in some difficulty. Or playing possum.
Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
Moderators: wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/04/42
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-21 Sally x 32
Ki-15 Babs x 5
Allied aircraft
I-153c x 9
I-16c x 27
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 11 destroyed, 9 damaged
Ki-15 Babs: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
I-16c: 52 destroyed, 2 damaged
Resources hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
A nice day for the I-16c's as they kill 8 zero's and 5 Sallies. The pilots might disagree as 18 I-16 and 2 I-15's go down but this was their best effort in terms of dropping zero's. Kumming is reduced to 111 resourse pts.
Elsewhere my forces continue to advance toward Chungking.
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-21 Sally x 32
Ki-15 Babs x 5
Allied aircraft
I-153c x 9
I-16c x 27
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 11 destroyed, 9 damaged
Ki-15 Babs: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
I-16c: 52 destroyed, 2 damaged
Resources hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
A nice day for the I-16c's as they kill 8 zero's and 5 Sallies. The pilots might disagree as 18 I-16 and 2 I-15's go down but this was their best effort in terms of dropping zero's. Kumming is reduced to 111 resourse pts.
Elsewhere my forces continue to advance toward Chungking.
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
Looks like Kunming is finished. There aren't enough Chinese aircraft being created to keep up in a war of attrition.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
6 April: We have completed 4 months. China has 1767 Army loss pts vs 56 for Japan. China has lost 376 aircraft including 65 p-40's against 245 Jap aircraft including 33 zero's.
China is reduced to 3 production locations and Kumming has been reduced to about 1/3rd of its initial capacity. My main force is massed in good condition about 100 miles from Chungking.
China is reduced to 3 production locations and Kumming has been reduced to about 1/3rd of its initial capacity. My main force is massed in good condition about 100 miles from Chungking.
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
12 April:
My main force has arrived in the mountain hex adjacent to Chungking. WITP_Dude has evacuated Sien and Ichang as I suspect they were only draining suppplies. His defence now is at Kwieyang where he has about 40-45 units and Chungking where I see around 50 with everything else headed that way.
Dude has abandoned the air defence of Kumming and I have bombed it down to 109 resourses.
My main force has arrived in the mountain hex adjacent to Chungking. WITP_Dude has evacuated Sien and Ichang as I suspect they were only draining suppplies. His defence now is at Kwieyang where he has about 40-45 units and Chungking where I see around 50 with everything else headed that way.
Dude has abandoned the air defence of Kumming and I have bombed it down to 109 resourses.
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
The Chinese only have a handful of planes left.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
Yeah right!! My Sallies just got creamed when they went in unescorted. The biggest allied air victory of the war.
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
I'm down to only two Chinese fighter groups. The rest having been disbanded due to lack of planes. I still have the AVG though.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
Yes my Sallies noticed!!
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
Some Japanese have reached Chungking. The battle should begin soon.
Also, I have a proposal to make if the game goes much longer. It seems the Chinese should get some additional air units sent to them if they can survive into the summer. By then the Commonwealth will have a lot more upgraded planes and they can afford to send some fighters. I've also heard that other players have been able to put B-17s in China. Once the DEI fall there really isn't much need for them elsewhere so I don't think this is too unrealistic.
The Japanese can counter this somewhat by sending another group of Zeros or something. Several Zero groups appear during 1942 and I think another could be sent to China without too much trouble.
Also, I have a proposal to make if the game goes much longer. It seems the Chinese should get some additional air units sent to them if they can survive into the summer. By then the Commonwealth will have a lot more upgraded planes and they can afford to send some fighters. I've also heard that other players have been able to put B-17s in China. Once the DEI fall there really isn't much need for them elsewhere so I don't think this is too unrealistic.
The Japanese can counter this somewhat by sending another group of Zeros or something. Several Zero groups appear during 1942 and I think another could be sent to China without too much trouble.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
You can send some more planes if you want. I would think more fighters would be sent at some point as China's cities get seriously bombed. B-17's are OK also but I think they will be ineffective. I'm having no supply problems and I think I will suspend all supply shippments just to see if I ever run down on supplies. I have stuck to 49,000 supplies per month and have shiped 5 loads or 245,000 supplies to China since game began. Most is still standing at the docks and my units are fully supplied.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/20/42
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Day Air attack on 39th Division, at 43,32
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 8
IL-4c x 10
SB-2c x 27
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
6 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
9 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 20th Chinese Corps, at 43,32
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 18
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 25637 troops, 390 guns, 7 vehicles
Defending force 269176 troops, 1688 guns, 59 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at 42,33
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 10469 troops, 174 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 21281 troops, 90 guns, 0 vehicles
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 173279 troops, 1470 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 332516 troops, 3613 guns, 64 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at 42,33
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 15001 troops, 90 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10469 troops, 174 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/20/42
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Day Air attack on 39th Division, at 43,32
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 8
IL-4c x 10
SB-2c x 27
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
6 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
9 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 20th Chinese Corps, at 43,32
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 18
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 25637 troops, 390 guns, 7 vehicles
Defending force 269176 troops, 1688 guns, 59 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at 42,33
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 10469 troops, 174 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 21281 troops, 90 guns, 0 vehicles
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 173279 troops, 1470 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 332516 troops, 3613 guns, 64 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at 42,33
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 15001 troops, 90 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10469 troops, 174 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
The battle for Chungking should quickly use up a lot of supplies. There are lots of Chinese units there and more on the way. I will add one B-17 group and one British fighter group in May. You can add another Zero group and bomber group too.
Also, it is April, not March.
Also, it is April, not March.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
Opps lost a month there somehow. I edited all the posts to say April.
Yes with Chungking no longer producing and all those units in Chungking drawing combat supplies you should be burning off your stockpile at a rapid rate. I don't know that you will be able to make much use of any added aircraft. They need supply to fly.
Yes with Chungking no longer producing and all those units in Chungking drawing combat supplies you should be burning off your stockpile at a rapid rate. I don't know that you will be able to make much use of any added aircraft. They need supply to fly.
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
Yeah, I do need a lot more supply. It is a tough situation.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/21/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 288164 troops, 3155 guns, 60 vehicles
Defending force 283763 troops, 1825 guns, 61 vehicles
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 8
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)
Japanese ground losses:
2641 casualties reported
Guns lost 112
Vehicles lost 8
Allied ground losses:
562 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 185276 troops, 1517 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 352050 troops, 3725 guns, 45 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 0 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
592 casualties reported
Guns lost 17
Allied ground losses:
1549 casualties reported
Guns lost 59
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/22/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 324628 troops, 3719 guns, 44 vehicles
Defending force 284330 troops, 1743 guns, 63 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 189754 troops, 1578 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 351606 troops, 3719 guns, 44 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/23/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 324803 troops, 3719 guns, 46 vehicles
Defending force 287888 troops, 1739 guns, 65 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 189959 troops, 1576 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 351875 troops, 3719 guns, 46 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/24/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 325346 troops, 3734 guns, 47 vehicles
Defending force 292337 troops, 1738 guns, 68 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 190663 troops, 1580 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 352550 troops, 3734 guns, 47 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
83 casualties reported
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/25/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 335812 troops, 3745 guns, 49 vehicles
Defending force 285309 troops, 1664 guns, 72 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)
Japanese ground losses:
2168 casualties reported
Guns lost 83
Vehicles lost 1
Allied ground losses:
361 casualties reported
Guns lost 23
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 190146 troops, 1543 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 349353 troops, 3594 guns, 47 vehicles
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 322754 troops, 3618 guns, 49 vehicles
Defending force 284781 troops, 1637 guns, 72 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 190589 troops, 1545 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 349976 troops, 3618 guns, 49 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
The bombardments are pretty much pointless in the urban terrain but at least they cause the enemy to draw combat supply. Neither player has any real hope of driving the other out anytime soon but by being here I have stopped all production in Chungking and I have half of his army engaged in combat.
By my estimate he now has a total production of about 400 supply per turn. There is just no way that his army can survive on this so it has to be just a matter of time before his army dies.
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 288164 troops, 3155 guns, 60 vehicles
Defending force 283763 troops, 1825 guns, 61 vehicles
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 8
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)
Japanese ground losses:
2641 casualties reported
Guns lost 112
Vehicles lost 8
Allied ground losses:
562 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 185276 troops, 1517 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 352050 troops, 3725 guns, 45 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 0 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
592 casualties reported
Guns lost 17
Allied ground losses:
1549 casualties reported
Guns lost 59
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/22/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 324628 troops, 3719 guns, 44 vehicles
Defending force 284330 troops, 1743 guns, 63 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 189754 troops, 1578 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 351606 troops, 3719 guns, 44 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/23/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 324803 troops, 3719 guns, 46 vehicles
Defending force 287888 troops, 1739 guns, 65 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 189959 troops, 1576 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 351875 troops, 3719 guns, 46 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/24/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 325346 troops, 3734 guns, 47 vehicles
Defending force 292337 troops, 1738 guns, 68 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 190663 troops, 1580 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 352550 troops, 3734 guns, 47 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
83 casualties reported
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/25/42
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 335812 troops, 3745 guns, 49 vehicles
Defending force 285309 troops, 1664 guns, 72 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)
Japanese ground losses:
2168 casualties reported
Guns lost 83
Vehicles lost 1
Allied ground losses:
361 casualties reported
Guns lost 23
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 190146 troops, 1543 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 349353 troops, 3594 guns, 47 vehicles
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/42
-
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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 322754 troops, 3618 guns, 49 vehicles
Defending force 284781 troops, 1637 guns, 72 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Chungking
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 190589 troops, 1545 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 349976 troops, 3618 guns, 49 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
The bombardments are pretty much pointless in the urban terrain but at least they cause the enemy to draw combat supply. Neither player has any real hope of driving the other out anytime soon but by being here I have stopped all production in Chungking and I have half of his army engaged in combat.
By my estimate he now has a total production of about 400 supply per turn. There is just no way that his army can survive on this so it has to be just a matter of time before his army dies.
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
It will take some time for the army to die of starvation by itself. I had Zeta encircled for several months before winning.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
Come on tell me how much supply you have???! Pleeese?
I hope you record you're supply state a various points so that at the end you can tell all. I'm interested in how fast the Chinese use supply. I think I know how it works but who knows what hidden feature might exist to throw off my calculations.
I hope you record you're supply state a various points so that at the end you can tell all. I'm interested in how fast the Chinese use supply. I think I know how it works but who knows what hidden feature might exist to throw off my calculations.
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
No, that would spoil all the fun.
It's hard to calculate daily supply production because who knows how much supply arrives via air transport in a given turn. Also I don't know how low supply effects units. What if a unit has 50% of their required supply level? Do they still fight the same?
Anyway the supply at Chungking has increased over recent weeks but that is probably because I abandoned Ichang and Sian. The supply that was going there now goes to Chungking.
It's hard to calculate daily supply production because who knows how much supply arrives via air transport in a given turn. Also I don't know how low supply effects units. What if a unit has 50% of their required supply level? Do they still fight the same?
Anyway the supply at Chungking has increased over recent weeks but that is probably because I abandoned Ichang and Sian. The supply that was going there now goes to Chungking.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: Moses vs WITP_Dude--China AAR
4 May 42:
WITP_Dude counterattack is in full swing. He actually retreated my brigade in the wood sw of Chungking has a unit in the muntain hex e of Chungking. More ominus are the forces from Kwieyang which are moving south and east in force. I dont know where their supply is coming from as I have cut the road above Kweiyang but they are moving forward nontheless.
I don't know if this is China's last gasp or the start of a stunning reversal. This is the first time in months that China has appeared strong and I am somewhat worried. They must be using up their supply as I've bombed them to near 300 resourse center in the whole country. I just don't know what his reserve stockpile is.
Meanwhile Chungking is at fort level 7 and I'm wearing it down slowly.
WITP_Dude counterattack is in full swing. He actually retreated my brigade in the wood sw of Chungking has a unit in the muntain hex e of Chungking. More ominus are the forces from Kwieyang which are moving south and east in force. I dont know where their supply is coming from as I have cut the road above Kweiyang but they are moving forward nontheless.
I don't know if this is China's last gasp or the start of a stunning reversal. This is the first time in months that China has appeared strong and I am somewhat worried. They must be using up their supply as I've bombed them to near 300 resourse center in the whole country. I just don't know what his reserve stockpile is.
Meanwhile Chungking is at fort level 7 and I'm wearing it down slowly.