Petition for Battleships in Starshatter

[Mr. D]

My guess that a refitted BB would mainly be armed with 2nd Class armament, like thos Corvette Guns (have forgotten the name right now).
It would certainly be taken apart by modern arms if not properly protected.
Unlike for example Iowa vs Kirov 1 on 1 in the real world where the Kirow (CGN) would certainly in a better position, in the StarShatterVerse you could try something different: fill that BB up with whatever guns you have, give it as much armor and as many shield generators as you can (presumably represented as one is StarShatter) and don't try to outgun the enemy: outlast it until you get in range with all those close range guns to flood him with bullets (or bolts, or whatever you wanna call it). And don't forget to stack point defense on that BB, of you'll get taken apart by capship missles.
Besides I don't think pirates coud maintain state of the art weaponry anyways

Oh and that keeping too much (old) material operational can be fatal can be seen in case of the old DDR/GDR, which had T34/100 tanks by the buckets until reunification, and they were not in the best conditions, no matter how hard they tried.

[Diabolico]

... and in fact, that sort of BBs with more armour, lots of little PDF guns tracking incoming missiles (etc.) with heavy shields but less powerfull weapons, would get close and personal, fighting like old ships of the line... perhaps even disguise their anti-capital ship weapons like the old "gun port" hatches, untill the last capital moment where they open them and fire their deadly broadsides.
That could work and add a certain flavour to the topic... "à suivre"...

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[Kuokkanen]

Most likely reason why battleships are not in 4.0 and prequels is Alliance and Hegemony don't have sufficient resources to build one.

Why battleship or any other combat starship would carry fighters? Fighters take up space and that space could be more useful for power sources and armor.

[Diabolico]

I don't agree with you because :

Most likely reason why battleships are not in 4.0 and prequels is Alliance and Hegemony don't have sufficient resources to build one.

Primo : We have no idea of Hegemony and Alliance GIPs and how much these ship costs.

Secondo : superior classes of ships seemed to be bigger versions of the precedent class with 1 or 2 more weapons and more armour. As the crusiers here are in general bigger versons of the destroyers, BBs could be bigger versions of the Cruisers, with 2 more main weapons for instance and more armour. And such a BB would not cost more than a carrier with his full wing of fighters, attack and service craft. It would surely cost less.

Tercero : if you have played all the campaigns you'd see that Hegemony cruiser Battlegroups are made of 2 vendettas, 2 DDs and 1 or 2 FFs.
2 Vendettas! In my Opinion, there was obviously the intention to add a bigger flagship such as a BB.

Why battleship or any other combat starship would carry fighters? Fighters take up space and that space could be more useful for power sources and armor.

Why wouldn't they? Why would they rely solely on their escorts or on their escort carrier.
All universes have capital ships with fighters like B5, SW, ST, BSG, Battletech (Old Star League ships are so sweet...), only to name a few.

Look at this pic :



All the red dots come from the ISD you see there, 72 in all! And I can assure you it has good shields and enough armour.[&o]

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[Kuokkanen]

ORIGINAL: Diabolico

Why battleship or any other combat starship would carry fighters? Fighters take up space and that space could be more useful for power sources and armor.

Why wouldn't they? Why would they rely solely on their escorts or on their escort carrier.
All universes have capital ships with fighters like B5, SW, ST, BSG, Battletech (Old Star League ships are so sweet...), only to name a few.

Becouse starships in Starshatter are based to real navy ships we have right now here on Earth. Some destroyers and/or cruisers may have landing pad for one VTOL but that's it.

[crazyeddie22]

Man this thread is getting old, all the arguments ive read have been made before at some point or other.

Maybe various people should ask Milo why he made the game the way it is ? (i couldnt find the bit i wanted to quote)

then you may see why BBs were not implemented into the game in the first place


cheers
eddie

[Paradox]

Just wanted to sign your Petitiion. Battleships would be an excellent addition to this sim.


Nick "Paradox" Parker

[Diabolico]

Wake up Matty! We have already discussed the similarities between years 2000 and year 6000 combat. How can you compare what is not comparable? Do 21st century naval ships have shields or beam weapons?
I am not coming back on that...

[Diabolico]

I agree! [:D]

[Diabolico]

...where else can you get this kind of fun :



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[Diabolico]

Man this thread is getting old, all the arguments ive read have been made before at some point or other.

Indeed! We all have stated our views, some time or the other... it would be better if somebody brought something new...[;)]

[YankeeDoodle]

Even in WWII there were still Battleship vs Battleship engagements. Granted aircraft could take on Battleships then again many navies still didnt realize the destructive power of Battleships. Look at how many AA weapons were refitted onto the battleships after the sinking of the Prince of Wales, or better yet compare the AA capabilites of the Yamato to the Iowa. It's all about perception of threat. I'm pretty sure any Battleship in the SS universe wouldnt be going out alone. They'd either be part of a Carrier group, or the nucleus of their own group with escort.

In the Wing Commander universe you had Carriers, but you also had Battleships. Why? Because Carriers cant be everywhere. Fighters arent cheap, and neither is training pilots. Granted Battleships CAN be as expensive, but they also can be a cheaper alternative.

I like the idea though of the Battleship carrying its own fighters.

As for the Star Wars Universe..Escort Carriers were made because Imperial Fighters dont have have hyperdrives. Not because they needed more fighters. [:)]

[Diabolico]

ditto![;)]

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[Mr. D]

Well, here is a design study which depicts all the ideas for a "poor man's battleship"...er a VERY poor man's Battleship to be precise

[Mr. D]

It is a modified cargo"ship" equipped with supercharged engines, dedicated "sensor" system and some VERY primitive weaponry.
As you can seen they can also be retracted behind gunports, just as Diabolico suggested

[Mr. D]

...and as they tried the ship in battle they finally understood the concept of an automated reload system...

[LeonH]

ROFLMAO! tahts funny Yeah less kill them with wodden bolts! *wonder how sheilds will cope with thoes* yeah battlehsips are going to be something that will be needed in SS, i havnt read thro the whole post yet i should do before i post any ideas [:D]

- the bit about Bs carrying fighters yes i can see this it stands to reason infact they toyed with having some form of planes on ships in ww2 altho thoes were mostly used a scouts.

[Diabolico]

[:D] hahahahhahaha!!![:D]

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[LeonH]

that ships just wants me to go all pirate like
yar avast ye land lubbers.

[Diabolico]

LOL[:D]