The 2by3Games developers journal add yet another entry . . .

[bstarr]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

ORIGINAL: testarossa

ORIGINAL: Crimguy

Personally, I'd like to see GG try to do an ultra-detailed Eastern Front game. Cover everything. Not as abstracted as W@W looks. I'm thinking Kursk '43 meets WitP.

Well, they mentioned something about Russian front.

WiR will be more along the lines of WitP then WaW. It will be another game to hurt you, alienate kids and wifes, etc [8D]

Yes! There really must be a God because my prayers have just been answered!

[testarossa]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Yahoo!!! Hope they will use some modern programming techniques this time.

Such as? Something wrong with C? You would prefer some pigware runtime that requires 2 gigs of ram and eats half of your cpu cycles?

It's not like I’m software guru or something. I'm an accountant. But I’m working for software developer and heard a lot why deadlines are not being met from our nerds.

I have nothing against C++. Although it is very unforgiving of errors. That's why you guys are suffering making patches, changing the code, getting new bugs and patching again.

So I asked around the office what would be the best language for database driven game, with 2D graphics, easy to modify and fix. And they said VB.net or Python. Just an opinion.

Well. My 2 cents. I don’t actually expect 2by3 to choose their development tools based on the forum rant.

[Bodhi]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Yahoo!!! Hope they will use some modern programming techniques this time.

Such as? Something wrong with C? You would prefer some pigware runtime that requires 2 gigs of ram and eats half of your cpu cycles?

Nothing wrong with C. Of course I don't know any pigware runtime that need 2 gigs ram or eat half your cpu cycles either. [;)]
For those with an open mind, it might be interesting to read (the admittedly self-praising) article from MS on what was used to make Tin Soldiers: Alexander the Great.

[Mr.Frag]

The framework is helpful at the widget level assuming you don't already have your own routines done in native code already done. I'd hate to think how long the training ship crews would take in a compiled language instead of tight handwritten C.

[33Vyper]

I love when you guys talk code and stuff....it sorta reads like this


Blah...blah blah...blah blah blah....blah....C....blah blah blah C++

ahhhhh nothin like Charlie Brown's teacher [:D]

[testarossa]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

The framework is helpful at the widget level assuming you don't already have your own routines done in native code already done. I'd hate to think how long the training ship crews would take in a compiled language instead of tight handwritten C.

There is another tight handwritten language - Assembler.[:D] I recall decent progs were around 48Kb.[;)]

[ZonkerHarris]

ORIGINAL: Sonny

Give the code to Bodhi and I and we will turn it into a C#.NET game with all the features you would want.

I'll give that a great big AMEN! and go even further: Matrix and 2by3 should release most of the code to the game under a license similar to the Mozilla Public License (link) used for the Firefox browser (among other things). This would protect the commercial rights of Matrix and 2by3 while allowing any interested member of the community to donate his or her time and skill to improving it.

(The parts I would suggest they do not release would be the PBEM encryption code (I think we'd all prefer that to remain secure) and perhaps the AI. This would limit real use of the game to paying customers. Some trusted volunteer (Mr. Frag, Bodhi or someone at that level of skill) could then accept patches and issue "blessed" binary versions of the program.)

And if this seems extreme or unrealistic, consider that John Carmack and id Software release the source code to their games once the major sales period has ended. (Want the source code to Quake 3 Arena? It's at this link.) Those titles sell in numbers several orders of magnitude greater than wargames of this sort, and the engines that they use in these games, and later release under the GPL, generate significant license revenue all by themselves (like $500,000 a pop, if I'm remembering this correctly). As a result, there's a healthy mod and user community even years after a new game has come out. So it's not like there isn't a precedent.

[Sonny]

ORIGINAL: testarossa

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

The framework is helpful at the widget level assuming you don't already have your own routines done in native code already done. I'd hate to think how long the training ship crews would take in a compiled language instead of tight handwritten C.

There is another tight handwritten language - Assembler.[:D] I recall decent progs were around 48Kb.[;)]

Yeah, decent two color progs - green and black.[:D]

[testarossa]

Not really. ZX Spectrum or Commodore C-64 had 8-bit color and good sound. For that time that was awesome.

Right now there is a beta demo of 3d shooter 96Kb.

http://www.theprodukkt.com/

Nothing special just a demo. Requires decent rig, my office PC cant run it.