CV TF Compisition (allied)

[Nikademus]

TF's that contain up to 15 warships add up their cumulative AA with no modificaiton. From the 16th ship onward the cumulative effect for ship 16-25 is less than 100% of the AA value of those ships.

This "penalty" is often misunderstood. It doesn't mean that a 20 ship TF for example wont have more total AA than a 15 ship TF, you just dont have as much AA for the 16th-25th ship as if their AA value was added without a % of it being docked off.

[crsutton]

My two cents. My carrier TF will always have at least one fast BB as soon as they are availble. In fact I think that these ships are too valuable as carrier escort to waste in surface actions. Leave the surface fights to the CAs and DDs. In reality, with the end of the big gun era already a hard fact, these ships (BBs), real purpose was as AA platforms. Turns out they were well suited for that.

[roberto5352]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

TF's that contain up to 15 warships add up their cumulative AA with no modificaiton. From the 16th ship onward the cumulative effect for ship 16-25 is less than 100% of the AA value of those ships.

This "penalty" is often misunderstood. It doesn't mean that a 20 ship TF for example wont have more total AA than a 15 ship TF, you just dont have as much AA for the 16th-25th ship as if their AA value was added without a % of it being docked off.

Another important thing is (I assume), that the best AA escorts contribute their full value, and the weakest get discounted. So if you're considering adding a fast BB, for example, to a 15-ship CV TF, the AA change = AA value of BB - discount to the worst AA escort. And of course all your DDs will contribute as ASW/surface escorts.

[DrewMatrix]

1) I tend to mass _all_ my CVs. I put them in separate TFs to stay at about 15 ships/TF but they all stay in the same hex (one moving, the rest following)

2) I have found that adding an ASW TF is very useful. Maybe 10-12 DDs on ASW, also assigned to follow the lead TF. They seem to take on the Subs before the subs get near the CVs.

[tabpub]

ORIGINAL: Beezle

1) I tend to mass _all_ my CVs. I put them in separate TFs to stay at about 15 ships/TF but they all stay in the same hex (one moving, the rest following)

2) I have found that adding an ASW TF is very useful. Maybe 10-12 DDs on ASW, also assigned to follow the lead TF. They seem to take on the Subs before the subs get near the CVs.

when operating together, I do as 1 above also. I also follow his 2, but not to that degree; generally 2 DD per CV form ASW teams and may/may not be operating together.
In addition, if/when IJN surface forces are in the area and there is DEFINITELY no air threat, additional ships would be taken from the screens to form SA groups

[tsimmonds]

And of course all your DDs will contribute as ASW/surface escorts.

I wouldn't put too much faith in this. Based on my recent experience off Trincomalee, I am of the opinion that:

• DDs in an ASW TF are looking to fight enemy submarines. If an enemy SCTF shows up, all else being equal, they are screwed.
• Escorts in an air combat TF are looking to fight enemy aircraft. If an enemy SCTF shows up, all else being equal, they are screwed. If an enemy sub shows up, they may handle it, or then again they may not.
• Ships in a bombardment TF are looking to blow up an enemy airbase. If an enemy SCTF shows up, all else being equal, they are screwed.
• If there might possibly be an enemy SCTF to fight, you had better have an SCTF of your own, or else you will be screwed.

YMMV of course. But this is how my Bible reads.

[captskillet]

looks good to me Gnome... I usually go with: 1 CV, 1 CVL, 1 CA, 1 CL & 1 CLAA or 2 CL if there aren't enough CLAA's and 8 DD's.....I then operate these TF's in groups of 3 and generally send 2 'TF groups' to a target.

[BaitBoy]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Could someone please clarify the rule about multiple allied CVs in the same TF. How bad is the penalty, and how many CVs do you need to have in the same TF before it kicks in?

There is no multiple CV's in hex penalty.

As far as CV's *in* a TF, it is in the manual, rule 7.2.2.11 (pg 130/131)

Thank you [:)]

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

My two cents. My carrier TF will always have at least one fast BB as soon as they are availble. In fact I think that these ships are too valuable as carrier escort to waste in surface actions. Leave the surface fights to the CAs and DDs. In reality, with the end of the big gun era already a hard fact, these ships (BBs), real purpose was as AA platforms. Turns out they were well suited for that.

I totally agree. Nothing beats a BB for flak, and if the big boys can keep up with my carriers, then thats where they are. Im not wasting perfectly good flak barges in a surface group, regardless of which side I am.