Is A Moderator Needed Here?

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ORIGINAL: chief
Is thet the goblins Granpere ?

Not sure chief....that pic might actually be a young'un. [:D]

[Goblin]

ORIGINAL: tracer

ORIGINAL: chief
Is thet the goblins Granpere ?

Not sure chief....that pic might actually be a young'un. [:D]

[:-]

[Goblin]

ORIGINAL: chief

Is thet the goblins Granpere ?

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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Thanks, IBTyrone. Once in awhile my temper gets the best of me, and good judgment goes out the window. I'm gonna start having my wife look over my shoulder while I'm posting, so she can say to me "think twice before you hit 'enter' " when it's necessary. [:o]

OK Glenn, its been two days since you typed this last reply, and you've posted nothing here to explain your insulting comments. I saw the explanation/apology that you posted at the Depot, but without a similar post here it is meaningless.

[KG Erwin]

Well, here it is:

"Alright, alright-- look, the comments by certain members about the superiority of another OOB set over 8.3, which many of us worked many hours on, just rubbed me the wrong way.

It also seems odd to me that jabs taken at Matrix are perfectly fine, but the Depot tends to circle the wagons when any hint of criticism is directed this way. Is that not a double standard?

Right now, I'm assisting in testing the new mech.exe patch, which will be excellent once it's done. I regard this as an honor and a privilege, and I've been trying to help in passing along suggested changes.

This may end up being a no-win situation for me -- hell, even my wife wondered why I'd want to get reinstated (at the Depot).

As for "secret societies" -- my God, how often did the Matrix OOB Teams get accused of being "SWAGs"? As a (Matrix) moderator, I took repeated personal insults 'till I couldn't stand it anymore.

Unfortunately, all this stuff has followed me, so this is why I suggested some personal conversations could help resolve some long-standing issues which need to be put to rest.

What do you want me to do? A permanent banning solves nothing -- it only leaves a cloud hanging over the relations between the Depot and Matrix."

PS: To an outside observer, all of this would seem bizarre, to say the least. However, the simple perception of a rift is enough to keep new players away from the game, and by extension, prevent them from registering at the forums.

[m10bob]

Glenn....Matrix had nothing to do with it.
YOUR comments were and are the issue.
You (in this post) are still trying to justify your comments.
I am sorry you do not understand this.
You do not recall that several of us went to bat for you, truly believing you knew you had made a mistake in the past, and wished to "move on" with a changed perspective.
You got back in, and in less than a month, have betrayed those of us who helped you.
You have a problem that transcends these forums.
I suggest you seek help.............[:(]

[Goblin]

Alright, alright-- look, the comments by certain members about the superiority of another OOB set over 8.3, which many of us worked many hours on, just rubbed me the wrong way.

Then you are in the wrong part of this hobby. Stick to playing the game instead of working on it if you cannot handle the criticism. Working hours on something is no guarantee it is going to be popular. If people like it, they will say so. If they do not, they will say so. It does not reflect on the amount of work put in, which was a tremendous amount, it reflects on peopl's likes and dislikes.

It also seems odd to me that jabs taken at Matrix are perfectly fine, but the Depot tends to circle the wagons when any hint of criticism is directed this way. Is that not a double standard?

Criticism is accepted here. Blatant lies and 'conspiracy' theories are generally going to be shot down. Matrix is also a game company, and are big boys. Negative comments about their products/patches/whatever are part of the business. I also see you blur the line between criticism of something Matrix produces, and jabs at Matrix in general. They are not the same. Want to point out a perceived flaw in the OOB Project? Go ahead. Do not slam the entire site with crap that you said you were wrong for saying in the first place.

As for "secret societies" -- my God, how often did the Matrix OOB Teams get accused of being "SWAGs"? As a moderator, I took repeated personal insults 'till I couldn't stand it anymore.

Um, that's because everything was kept secret. See the connection? Your moderating style may have drawn some heat. I do not believe people just started to slam you for no reason. I was a member at Matrix then too, remember?

Unfortunately, all this stuff has followed me, so this is why I suggested some personal conversations could help resolve some long-standing issues which need to be put to rest.

The only person with issues that need to be put to rest is you. None of this stuff has 'followed' anyone else. I see no one else getting lit and posting the things that you do. Let it go and concentrate on the future.

What do you want me to do? A permanent banning solves nothing -- it only leaves a cloud hanging over the relations between the Depot and Matrix.

I beg to differ. You are not Matrix Games. A permanent banning does one thing. It bans you. Everyone else will continue to enjoy the game without imagined grudges and rifts. They will still be a great gaming company, and we will still be supporting one of their best games. The difference is, you would not be there. That's the only 'cloud'. The decision will be made when all pertinent staff members have had a chance for discussion.





Goblin

[Alby]

hey everybody let this stuff go!!
enough already pleeeeeeeeease..[&o]

Start discussing Important stuff, like my screenshots, and The Depoit Multi Mod 2!!
LOL
[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

[Goblin]

Not if shots are taken at people every couple of months. Glenn needs to vent. Let him air everything out in public, and maybe we can all get back to the game, and the Shirt.[:)]



Goblin

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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Well, here it is:

"Alright, alright-- look, the comments by certain members about the superiority of another OOB set over 8.3, which many of us worked many hours on, just rubbed me the wrong way.

It also seems odd to me that jabs taken at Matrix are perfectly fine, but the Depot tends to circle the wagons when any hint of criticism is directed this way. Is that not a double standard?

Right now, I'm assisting in testing the new mech.exe patch, which will be excellent once it's done. I regard this as an honor and a privilege, and I've been trying to help in passing along suggested changes.

This may end up being a no-win situation for me -- hell, even my wife wondered why I'd want to get reinstated (at the Depot).

As for "secret societies" -- my God, how often did the Matrix OOB Teams get accused of being "SWAGs"? As a (Matrix) moderator, I took repeated personal insults 'till I couldn't stand it anymore.

Unfortunately, all this stuff has followed me, so this is why I suggested some personal conversations could help resolve some long-standing issues which need to be put to rest.

What do you want me to do? A permanent banning solves nothing -- it only leaves a cloud hanging over the relations between the Depot and Matrix."

PS: To an outside observer, all of this would seem bizarre, to say the least. However, the simple perception of a rift is enough to keep new players away from the game, and by extension, prevent them from registering at the forums.

First off Glenn, Matrix and the Depot get along just fine: Bernie and David Heath have spoken many times and say nothing but 'good' about the other. Is it OK if I label this 'delusion number 1'?

Next, nobody is questioning the time/commitment put into the 8.3 OOBs, but if you took the time to 'ask around' you'll discover that they are not generally thought of as 'superior'. They have numerous inconsistencies and errors, and from what I can see they have been 'abandoned' in that none of the original team is addressing the needed 'fixes'. Since no one is 'standing behind them', I have no idea who you think you are 'defending'....and simply bad-mouthing anyone who now attempts to do the work necessary to fix them is a pretty poor 'defense' IMO.

Matrix Games has always directed customers to its forums to 'find answers to problems'....hell, we used to joke that we were tech-support. Lately the number of 'gurus' found here regularly is lower than it was in the past, so of course the number of 'unanswered' questions/complaints is higher. Instead of accusing someone who seeks answers here of being 'disloyal', have you considered helping them find an answer? On the flip-side, the only steady source of public 'anti-Depot' comments that I know of is you....and by your own admission they are all based on 'feelings' that you have, not facts. Can we finally put this argument 'to bed'??

And in regards to your P.S.: (choke-cough-cough!) What??? The only 'voice of disharmony' that they hear is yours! And I'm not talking about 'disagreements' or 'differences of opinion' Glenn, you keep making these broad accusations of 'evil against SPWAW' and direct them at a large portion of the community. Worse, it is only the newer members who might think such posts are anything more than personal suspicions based falsehoods. When we lifted your ban at the Depot, you assured me (and posted publicly) that you now saw how rediculous those ideas were...what brought on this relapse in judgement?

Man, its getting close to the point where my replies to you will begin with "Do I know you?".

[Goblin]

ORIGINAL: Sturmpionier

ORIGINAL: Dragoon 45

Once in a great while maybe. This forum on whole seems very civilized and without rancor.

Shows what you know.

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[KG Erwin]

Enough already. I wrote the principals involved, so let's forget about it and move on.

[KG Erwin]

I went back and deleted my comments -- this means that I disavow any previous content.

[KG Erwin]

Look at the screenshots that have been posted -- to fight about ANY aspect of this game is just ridiculous. We spat, we argue, but the game endures -- whether I get permanently banned at the Depot matters not one whit to me. It's the GAME that matters, that and nothing else.

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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

I went back and deleted my comments -- this means that I disavow any previous content.

Uh, I don't think 'disavow' is the word you were looking for:

disavow
1 : to deny responsibility for : REPUDIATE
2 : to refuse to acknowledge : DISCLAIM
- dis·avow·able /-&-b&l/ adjective
- dis·avow·al /-'vau(-&)l/ noun

[KG Erwin]

Oh, crap -- I'm sorry I said it, and I'm taking it back. THAT's what I meant to say. [:o]

I gotta be at work in 5 hours, and I'm drinking some strong coffee, trying to write a DAR, and fighting battles to maintain my standing at the Depot. This is NOT the kind of all-nighter I wanted to pull, but so be it. To paraphrase "Bones" McCoy : "Dammit, Jim, I'm a gamer, not a social worker."

[VicKevlar]

There are Staff wandering round dese parts.......take the personal stuff somewhere's else such as PM, IM or Vinny and Doggie's place.

Locking up.