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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/16/42

I feel less confortable now in China. I cannot keep all his remaining AF shut and the experience had with the spits last month at Tsuyung was not the best one. Gotta try to mass my bombers again!

The pocket west of Ichang has been finally eliminated![:D] One more division free to get into Chungking

In Oz we're advancing....no news today.

My combined fleet keep on upgrading, while the Tonies are slowing getting into their assigned positions.

Overall a quiet day.




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Ground combat at 45,34

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23526 troops, 216 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 1894 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 375 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
6473 casualties reported[:D]
Guns lost 2




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Bombers fly again in China

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/18/42

The new strategic bombing campaign in China has officially started. Every effort will be made to keep the RAF out of china, keeping his AFs shut down and substituting( sp?) the zeros with the tonies.
Today we hit Kumming,Tsuyung,Sining,Lanchow,Changsha,Ichang and Chungking. 400 bombers are involved in this new summer campaign and 230 fighters.
If Burma is lost i won't do the same mistake in China nor in Australia.
The kumming assault will begin within 2 weeks.
Tomorrow 36 more tonies will be brought to China.

At Daily we're pushing on. He keeps bombing at night, so the skies are free for my 200 bombers and 200 fighters during the day. His units are suffering a lot of casualities both from air and land bombings.

My CVs are almost ready. Only the Zuikaku still needs some more R&R.

Today the Sonias DB have officially ended their production.

Japan hasn't lost the war. Not yet however!

BANZAI

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Night Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 23
LB-30 Liberator x 6
B-24D Liberator x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 25
B5N Kate x 7
C5M Babs x 4
Ki-30 Ann x 27
Ki-21 Sally x 11
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4
Ki-15 Babs x 4

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 49

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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 11

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Day Air attack on Tsuyung , at 37,31

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 17
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
Ki-21 Sally x 54
Ki-49 Helen x 34
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Ki-15 Babs x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 8 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged
Ki-15 Babs: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
232 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 87

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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,34

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 70
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 17

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Day Air attack on Sining , at 45,23

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 76
Ki-48 Lily x 30
Ki-15 Babs x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 76

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Day Air attack on Lanchow , at 46,25

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 12

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 3


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Day Air attack on 3rd Australian Division, at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 39
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 25th US Division, at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 20
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

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Day Air attack on 6th Australian Division, at 36,90

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 71
G4M1 Betty x 39
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Guns lost 3



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Ground combat at 39,37

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9130 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 25766 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
246 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Daly Waters

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65419 troops, 647 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 48611 troops, 404 guns, 17 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
92 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61795 troops, 799 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 37757 troops, 202 guns, 40 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
458 casualties reported[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 3

East of Daily[8D]

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/19/42

July is passing by too fast.
I thought this would have been the month of Tony's baptism of fire, but my numbers weren't correct.
Altough i do produce now 278 Tonies each month ( yeah, i know, probably too many) the time used to move the nates to a safe base with 20k supplies, upgrade and repair the new models , is far beyond my forecastings.
However, the new air campaign in China is keeping his AFs shut and his eng busy ( i hope). Only Lanchow is still operative. Tomorrow, if weather will be with us, we'll attack Kumming,Chungking and Lanchow with 350 bombers.
While i have to wait for two more divisions that are few days far from Kumming, there's now only one last pocket of resistance left in Southern China. 65,000 chinese troops are fighting bravely for their life, surrounded 60 miles west of Nanning by 16,000 japanese. It's takin' me so much because my bombers refuse to fly against this hex...which is quite strange and depressing.

15 upgraded DD are moving back to Truk from Osaka and 14 DDs, that need some upgrades, are going from Truk to Tokyo. This process is going very well, and i really hope to have the entire Combined fleet up to date by the end of August.

In Oz he's retreating. His 4Es keep on night bombing ( 10 planes destroyed tonight) cause i firmly defend Daily with 140 fighters during the day. He's going to have some tough times with this retreat. In one week we've caused something like 5,000 casualities among the aussies with a combo of deliberate attacks( on his left flank), ground bombardments( on his center and on his right flank), and aerial bombings( on his rearguard). Now my western flank, led by the 5th Division, is advancing southeastwards. His right flank ( 3 divs and 1 bde) seems to be weak enough by now. That one is my objective. I think he's going to retreat his center( 2 Divs+2Bdes) from Daily in order to stop my advance from the west, so his right flank will be somehow in a difficult position. As soon as i see any of his central units retreating, i'll order to attack at Daily......

The second Army is slowly forming at Sosarbaja, which will be, by the end of the July, safe enough with 1300 Assault points.

In Burma everything is quite, except for his 4Es that keep on plastering everything north of Bankok. Now at Bankok there are 24 tonies patrolling the skies, with an average exp of 80. I 'm still waiting for his 2nd UK divsion to cross the river from Akyab to Magwe....he's moving very slowly....

BTW, i'm quite sure he's planning something in the pacific. The CVs spotted last week must be going somewhere. probably he will be raiding some of my external bases like Pago Pago or Fiji. In 2 weeks my the KB will be back at Truk, fully upgraded and ready to fight.

The score is 3-1 by now. 7300 vs 22500. the auto victory is very far away and this status will keep him from risking anything in late 42....that's a pity. The only hope i have to obtain a 4-1 is in China. I need to get Chungking, in order to have those 3500 base points and i need some more points from chinese Pows....but the new air war of attrition to which he's forcing me will cause me some bad headhaches....that's sure.



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Night Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 23
LB-30 Liberator x 55
B-24D Liberator x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 6

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Ground combat at 39,37

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16716 troops, 145 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 25445 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
296 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
306 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

The Nanning Pocket



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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61963 troops, 794 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 36845 troops, 177 guns, 35 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
287 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 4

60 miles east of Daily Waters
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The Yanks are back in CHINA!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/20/42

My air strategy isn't enough efficient. I'm completely unable to close down his AFs in China.
Today i forgot to change the objective of one of my Sally Chutai and 7 of them,escorted by 9 zeros went towards Sining.
They found 40!, yes fourty, p-40Es waiting for them. They outnumbered us and dstroyed 4 sallies, but my zeros reacted and manage to shoot down 6 bastard american volounteers. A total of 6 zeros and 4 sallies were lost during this useless mission.
Now i know my fears were true: he's ready to get back into china with his Air force! My Tonies aren't ready yet and the next retaliation will be based on the zeros shoulders. Tomorrow storms are forecasted but i'll hope for a clear day. We'll try to attack and close that Damned AF before he can bring in his bombers and scrumble my plans.
I fear a b-17 attack from Ledo, so i keep some nates on CAP along with 3 tonies, that come from Shangai where the rest of the Chutai is repairing.

It's gonna be a long and bloody august in China.....

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Day Air attack on Sining , at 45,23

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-21 Sally x 7
Ki-15 Babs x 3

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged

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Ground combat at 39,37

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16469 troops, 136 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24928 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
370 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

Allied ground losses:
316 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


This pocket of Nanning refuses to capitulate

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Ground combat at Daly Waters

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65946 troops, 654 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 48611 troops, 406 guns, 18 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
118 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61973 troops, 797 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 36349 troops, 169 guns, 29 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
205 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 3

After weeks of intense bombardments they seem to be ready to be pushed back....
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a map that shows the actual air-war in China and Burma.

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The Yanks go back

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/21-22/42

A couple of important turns.

After the starting skirmish at Sining ( 6 zeros in exchange of 6 P-40s) he moved back to India his flying tigers[:D] probably he thought it would have been easier[;)]. So we were free to bomb Sining and Lanchow in the last 2 days with 150 bombers escorted by 50 zeros.
Chungking is the next target due to the fact that the AF is open again[:@][:@][:@] Bad weather prevented me from doing anything in middle and southern china in the last days.
The Tonies are slowly flowing to the front. At the moment 12 at Darwin, 24 at Sian, 24 at Bankok and 36 at Paramushiro Jiima...but many more are comming.
At Daily we've been heavily bombed his right flank for weeks now and i hope we're ready to attack! Tomorrow my western flank will move to his positions SW of Daily, while the 16th Army will assault his forts East of Daily. Today we attacked his positions at Daily but as predicted we've lost. However 1500 men lost is a good price to pay to pinn him there[;)]
Let's see what we can do tomorrow there...will be a decisive day!!

At Port Blair, in the sea of Bengal, he's minesweeping....this can mean an offensive and an invasion! 3 CVs will be moving from Tokyo to Singapore, along with 3 BBs and several DDs-CAs, joining the Singapore fleet ( 1 CV,2CVLs,2 CVEs plus several more warships).
Let's see....




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TF 1065 encounters mine field at Port Blair (23,34)

Allied Ships
MSW Poole

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Day Air attack on Lanchow , at 46,25

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 62
Ki-21 Sally x 119
Ki-48 Lily x 29
Ki-49 Helen x 21
Ki-15 Babs x 5

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
133 casualties reported

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 115

Aircraft Attacking:

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Ground combat at Daly Waters

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 63643 troops, 649 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 48537 troops, 409 guns, 18 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 [;)]


Japanese ground losses:
1417 casualties reported
Guns lost 60
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62174 troops, 805 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 35155 troops, 140 guns, 21 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
202 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


And here you can see the balance of forces on the right flank of Daily....he has 3 divisions + 1 HQ here...but they should be in a bad shape by now...i hope


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but just a question...

is somebody still reading? I see very seldom any answer and very few people browsing this thread....

Am i missing something?
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I'm avidly following this AAR... tho i'm not usually logged in to the Matrix :)
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RE: Bath of Blood at Daily....

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I read this every time it's updated

Your brilliant generalship leaves me speechless, so I don't post comments. [;)]

I will say that I am glad your not on the Japanese side in Fear and Loathing. There would be a lot more Fear if you were.
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ORIGINAL: Crimefighter

I'm avidly following this AAR... tho i'm not usually logged in to the Matrix :)

Thanks:-)

I know it sounds stupid, but sometimes you really need to hear that someone is actually reading all the efforts put into these virtual papers....

still thanks
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RE: Bath of Blood at Daily....

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ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

I read this every time it's updated

Your brilliant generalship leaves me speechless, so I don't post comments. [;)]

I will say that I am glad your not on the Japanese side in Fear and Loathing. There would be a lot more Fear if you were.


[8|]..ok, thanks....stop now before i become red and embarassed like a little school-girl at her first day in a new class[:)]

Thanks really much by the way. Much appreciated, seriously
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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

but just a question...

is somebody still reading? I see very seldom any answer and very few people browsing this thread....

Am i missing something?

I am still reading and I really want to see your Tonies in action!
Stop those damned 4E bombers!
BANZAI!!!

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Bug?...decisions to take

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/23/42

Ok, now i'm pissed.
My Australian offensive is going fantastic. We pushed back today 3 Oz divisions and now his center is almost trapped.
Very well you'd sey, right?
No!
My opponent asks me to stop the australian offensive due to a bug that doesn't allow him to retreat towards Alice....

Months of great work thrown away....

How can i simply stop my advace and let him get back safely at Alice, after the threat he has put at Daily and after that i fist stopped his advance and then pushed him back?!!?!?!?

What should i do!?

I've wasted 4 divisions, 2 regiments, 2 army HQ, tons of fighters and bombers in this operation....do you remember what i said some weeks ago? A new Cannea Battle.....like Hannibal....now that i'm having my Cannae...he's asking me to stop-_-''

ok, better to go to sleep before i defentely lose my tense..

sorry for my rude tone.


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Night Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 21
LB-30 Liberator x 30
B-24D Liberator x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

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Ground combat at Daly Waters

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 64971 troops, 571 guns, 8 vehicles

Defending force 48507 troops, 409 guns, 18 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 71874 troops, 805 guns, 325 vehicles

Defending force 34914 troops, 134 guns, 22 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1257 casualties reported
Guns lost 32
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
935 casualties reported
Guns lost 21
Vehicles lost 3


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!


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Hi General,

Just a word to tell you that i read you with great joy each day while eating at work.
With Admiral Laurent, PzB, ADavidB and your opponent, your are the best reasons to make me wish to buy the game if only wife and kids leave me a little more time. [&o]

As i read MC744, i won't comment too much on tactics or strategies...

Now for the bug your opponent encounter, i think it's the good time to deal with him some houserule against your frustations about carpets bombing and night bombing against maybe half og the untis trapped by the bug. The 800 planes lost at daily and units you bring there and not elsewhere count probably for the other half that he may agree to remain trapped ...

Just my two cents... hoping that this good read continue and you two continue enjoying this game.[:D]
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I read Mc's description of what happened, and I am not certain it's a bug. It certainly could be, but maybe it is something else.
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First of all thank you all for your partecipation.

In my opinion also it' is not a bug...at least not one like the "ghost unit". It's probably a bad feature but not a bug. I mean....this kind of feature doesn't apply only to the allies and only in this specific situation. It's a rule that goes for both of us. When he was attacking Daily i was exactly in the same situation like he's now: at risk of encirclement.
What Titi proposes seems kinda fair in a certain way. Even if it would steal from me what could have been one of the greatest victory of all time: trapping and annihilating 4 big Aus and Us units in Australia in late 42.....

However i ask myself how we will handle the future ground combats if we agree that there must be a house-rule-work-around....what will be do in China ? and what we will do in Burma when he will invade in the next months? Will i simply have to say: ok, i can't go back to ( let's say) Bankok, so stop your attacks/bombarments for few weeks and let me retreat in peace.
Do not know...really.

You know, the point probably is that this game is so long and requires so many energies, so much time to be devoted in playing and planning, that it's kind hard to accept things like that.

So what will it be a good agreement?
House rule the night-bombing thing, and let him retreat 1 division and 1 bde, leaving 1 div and one bde in my hands as a war trophy? D'u think he will accept? I doubt sincerly, and not because he's not fair enough, but just because he feels to be a victim of a bug, while i think he's a victim of he's bad understanding of a BAD game feature.

This could have been a turning point towards the 4-1....4 big allied units destroyed, with 1 HQ and 1 base force along with them...the threat over Daily and Darwin pushed back for at least 6 more months....and a great battle of encirlclement, Hannibal-worth..... it's a shame and a pity[:o]

Let's see how and if we can handle this...

if you have some more suggestion....even some explanation for this bug-feature....please, let me/us know.

Still thanks for reading,suggesting and being present during these tough moments

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Hi GH,

My first impression is that if he can do commando raids to Darwin, then he does not believe in houserules then the game carry on with no houserules and therefore disregard to bugs or no bugs. If you are magnanimous and you let him go and if you gone on to win the game then you have won more than fair and square. [;)] Unless some umpire can advise, it is between 2 of you. [;)]
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I just read the other side of the AAR where tabpub posted an explaination of what is happening. ADavidB also provided comments.

I don't feel completely comfortable posting thier arguements here because they involve troop dispositions and the tactical situation. I will say that they proved to me that the cause of MC's misfortune is not a bug, though it is a pretty bad design decision.

I will also point out that the bad design decision is exacerbated by the map you two are using, to the point where it is possible that the stock map is made the way it is in part to reduce the effect of the badly designed land movement system.

That said if I were in Mc's shoes I would keep going, but I am pig headed.
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Whether it is the map or the game - problems like these ( and others ) can go either way. I seriously doubt GH invaded Oz in order to exploit any particular problem that has now manifested itself. So I don't see any reason for things to stop or be changed at this point.

I've had all sorts of things happen to me that aren't "fair" in playing this game. If I find myself playing a player that is trying to "drive panzer divisions" though the holes - I might find another player ( so far I have not had this happen to me !!! All my opponents have been more than fair - and have negotiated house rules to fix obvious holes - and these have been done in both directions ).

I don't even see a need for a house rule relative to the ground game - since again - either side can be burned by these "situations" ... I've invaded Oz and had my opponent wait until he ammased totally overwhelming force before trying to come back and he eventually pushed me out - though I was able to build up Timor much more than I would've had he been bombing me from northern Oz ...

But these guys have tried to engage with each other all over the map - straight up - with no waiting or holding back for the entire game - and sometimes - that will bite you - GH has probably lost a lot more planes on his part because of this. And now MC may lose some ground units - not to worry - plenty more on the way.

I assume GH is going for VP victory and I assume MC is ok with that. So onward - it is still far from a foregone conclusion !

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RE: Bug?...decisions to take

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Hi, all

Well as I read both AAR I usually do no more comments but here I think this is a game-killing situation. And I think there is a bug. Or a bad design if you want to call it like that, but certainly a very very bad simulation.

To summarize the problem: in WITP going from A to B is absolutely not the same thing than to go from B to A. And that is just completly stupid. Even if WITP is the greatest wargame I ever played on PC, the land model sucks...

Here mc is unable to move because:
1) to leave an hex with enemy unit you have to choose a friendly city as destination. If someone can give a valid explanation for that, I will be happy to hear it. An hex in friendly hands should be enough.
2) to leave an hex with no supply line you have to choose a nearby hex as destination.

In this case, both are incompatible so he can't move. Its destination hex is both in friendly hands, undisputed and has a valid supply line from Alice Springs.

Morale: in Andrew's map, Daily is immune from surrounding from Alice Springs.

General, if you had managed to surround Allied troops south of Daily, by walking or rolling faster than then, especially if Allied troops have advanced more to the W of Daily, it would have been a valid victory but in this case I agree with mc. He decides to retreat at the right time and should be allowed to (by the game).

On the other hand, as someone else said, MC is exploiting the ugly night bombing model of WITP and so scored probably more than 1000 points using it so losing some troops due to this bug may compensate it.

My advice would be to let some days pass so both of you cool down and then have a good talk about it.

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