Will she sink?

[Bradley7735]

Hi Speedy,

I wasn't picking on you. In fact, I don't recall what posters said she'd make it for sure. I just remember a lot of folks saying that she was a sure shot at being safe.

I am actually more interested in the speed issue. Nik said that running at full speed increases the chance of progressive flooding. I'm curious if Rupd ran Lex at full speed or cruise speed. I'm guessing cruise speed, since it's been so many days in transit.

I generally run any flood damaged ship at full speed to the nearest port. Sometimes I make it, sometimes I don't. Now I wonder whether it's best to go at cruise or full speed?

The world wonders.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Hi Speedy,

I generally run any flood damaged ship at full speed to the nearest port. Sometimes I make it, sometimes I don't. Now I wonder whether it's best to go at cruise or full speed?

The world wonders.

It really depends on the circumstances. In the end, its a gamble. Full speed increases your chances of additional FLT damage but if your ship already has crippling amounts aboard it may be that your chances might be slightly better racing to a port (hopefully with an AR there to help out) vs. trying to crawl back slowly and carefully....but then end up foundering two hexes out.

Its a crap shoot....lot of die rolls going on. I have a good example:

Game with Kaiser73 (beer wars)

BB Ise hit by two torps (stringbags) 60% FLT!!!!

make it back to Rangoon port with time to spare. (good med sized port) ship sinks anway after a few days. bad die rolls

AI game, same circumstance. Yamashiro hit by THREE torps (god (*&(!@ stringbags again) 80% FLT.....makes it back barely to Rangoon this time with little room to spare.

This time the port succeeds in draining the FLT down below the critical level.

Didn't even have an AR.

(Best AR exp......getting CV Hiryu back to size 3 port with 98% FLT damage) saved her. [:D]

[Admiral DadMan]

I think he said he was running at full speed, which DOES increase flooding by an order of magnitide.

Shoulda pulled ovah. I know from experience.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: niceguy2005

I don't know about that, but I am almost certain that the US CV's have some sort of torpedo attracting hull. In almost every game I have played they get torpedoed at least once each by jap subs.

can you send me a couple of these devices? I'm still trying to get Kaiser's CV's.

[RUPD3658]

Where is the documentation for full speed increasing flooding? I keep hearing it mentioned but can't recall ever reading it in the manual.

[Admiral DadMan]

ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

Where is the documentation for full speed increasing flooding? I keep hearing it mentioned but can't recall ever reading it in the manual.

I can't tell ya, and I can't shoot ya.

Seriously, I don't recall it in the manual, but I do remember it during a Beta game with Mogami.

[Speedysteve]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Hi Speedy,

I wasn't picking on you. In fact, I don't recall what posters said she'd make it for sure. I just remember a lot of folks saying that she was a sure shot at being safe.

Hi Brad,

Don't worry didn't think you were. Just thought i'd point out I was a fence sitter [:D]

Certainly some luck in it.

As mentioned before I saved Kaga at 53/48/10 which was 17 hexes from port (Kwajalein)

[niceguy2005]

Nik,

Just have him surround his CV with lots and lots of destroyers, seems to work everytime. [;)]

I actually have a working theory that goes something like this. All the iron in all the escort vessels moving through the water creates a magnetic vortex around the TF and creates a magnetic center, where of course the CV sits. Kind of like a funnel for torpedos. Its either that or just really bad luck. [8|]

[Ron Saueracker]

Soooooooooooooo......[X(]Did it sink or swim?[;)]

[RUPD3658]

2 days later and sitting in a size 1 port with 87 float. I just dicovered that even in port you can't off load aircraft when you have 50+ float damage.[:@]

I will give it one or two more turns and if the float level does not go down I may have to scuttle to save points and speed up the respawn of the Lex II.

[RevRick]

ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

Where is the documentation for full speed increasing flooding? I keep hearing it mentioned but can't recall ever reading it in the manual.

It won't be in this manual, perhaps. But, I can guarantee you it will be in the Damage Control Manual for any USN ship. Steaming at full speed with hull damage is at best not recommended. At least, it is downright crazy.

Consider, the holes in the ship are patched up with matresses, timbers, wooden plugs, and anything else that can be stuck into the offending leak. In addition, interior bulkheads are literally holding out the ocean behind the damaged areas. Anything besided creeping speed puts additional strain on the patches and bulkheads.

In game terms, as soon as a ship has to leave a battle area, she should be put down to cruise as soon as possible (as in out of range of any likely AC). Then get to the nearest port size three or better, and start pumping and patching.

[RUPD3658]

She may be needing your services soon Revrend.

[RevRick]

I have a few of my own over which I will be officiating at their demise. Been nursing a sub back from Okinawa running between 75 to 85% flotation damage. Right now she is 240 miles from Midway, which I have built up to a size 4 port and have installed an old AS there. I think she might make it, but it's been all the way at about 5 kts.

[RUPD3658]

After nearly 10 days of trying to save the ship the Lexington was scuttled with 95 floatation damage (up from 84 2 days before) and is now serving as an artificial reef at Canton Island. Before she passed beneath the waves her replacement was commisioned and should arrive in 545 days.

Lessons learned:

1. PBEM oppanants are not as dumb as the AI.
2. Do not use fulls speed when sinking
3. A/C can not be off loaded with more than 50 sys/float damage even when docked in port.
4. Alleid damage control is not perfect.

[Nomad]

1. very true most of the time [8D]

2. what were you thinking? [:D]

3. not true, you can dock and move aircraft. I have done it before. [;)]

4. Of course it is not perfect. [8|] It is just a lot better than the IJNs.

[RUPD3658]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

3. not true, you can dock and move aircraft. I have done it before. [;)]

I tried to move a/c in a size 1 port and could not do so.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

ORIGINAL: Nomad

3. not true, you can dock and move aircraft. I have done it before. [;)]

I tried to move a/c in a size 1 port and could not do so.

I think you can move NON-damaged AC, but not damaged ones. And while the ship is busy trying to sink, for some reason the aircraft mechanics seem to be pre-occupied and don't fix many aircraft.[:'(]

Also, as for steaming at full-speed/cruise speed: i think you might check to discover that the two speeds are pretty much the same in badly damaged ships. The thing i've found that most relates to how much flooding occurs is the weather: thunderstorms mean high winds = waves = flooding. Of course, there is a lot of chance involved, also.

[WhoCares]

ORIGINAL: Nomad
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2. what were you thinking? [:D]
...

I bet the crew drilled some holes in the rear of the ship and hoped that the inertia of the water would move it out [:D]

Regarding 3, prob. the ship has to be abandoned in port?! I know I have done such transfers myself in Tulagi, iirc.

[RUPD3658]

Might need a size 3 or better port. A size 1 was the best I could get to.

[LargeSlowTarget]

ORIGINAL: RevRick
Been nursing a sub back from Okinawa running between 75 to 85% flotation damage.

Slightly OT, but this choice of words reminded me of an anecdote I've read somewhere - that during the Philippine campaign a PBY was sent to evacuate some nurses and key personnel, but got damaged upon landing and sprung some leaks, jeopardizing the safe take-off - and that the resourceful 'sailors' (PBY = Navy) 'used' the plumpest nurse to plug the biggest leak by making her sit on it, literally 'nursing' the plane home... [:)]