The Italian Job 2- Gen.Hoepner(J)-vs.-Mc3744

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: String

800 highly experienced fighters!?!?!

Damn.. I could only gather about 150 tonies and Tojos into one place vs Andy, and they were usually at 50-60 exp due to constant attrition, and I had to leave other areas open..

They are all in their 80s because he didn't engage them for 6 months and they kept training....but are useless agains those hordes of experienced 4Es...

and above all...a 36 planes sentai with 80 exp, after one encounter with 400 4Es ends up with 65 exp at best.....

[Mike Solli]

Japan proper produces about 50% of the resource requirements for Japan (including resource requirements for manpower). The daily resource need (assuming no HI increase) is slightly less than 16k and daily production is just over 8k.

Edit: China produces about 500 excess resources per day (not counting any captured bases).

[String]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Japan proper produces about 50% of the resource requirements for Japan (including resource requirements for manpower). The daily resource need (assuming no HI increase) is slightly less than 16k and daily production is just over 8k.

Edit: China produces about 500 excess resources per day (not counting any captured bases).

are you quite sure on that? I was under the impression that it is more like 4-3k [&:]

[String]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

ORIGINAL: String

800 highly experienced fighters!?!?!

Damn.. I could only gather about 150 tonies and Tojos into one place vs Andy, and they were usually at 50-60 exp due to constant attrition, and I had to leave other areas open..

They are all in their 80s because he didn't engage them for 6 months and they kept training....but are useless agains those hordes of experienced 4Es...

and above all...a 36 planes sentai with 80 exp, after one encounter with 400 4Es ends up with 65 exp at best.....

[X(] 80 exp? [X(]

by gods, use them! start putting small recon squadrons in all of your airbases.. and a few turns later concentrate 5-600 of them into a single base. See 4e bombers fall from sky!

[EUBanana]

player defined upgrades = bad

For all sorts of reasons. Too many heavy bombers. Too many Tonies.

That said the replacement rate for 4E bombers isnt that good. I know in my game against Simon Prior a bad spell shot down a lot of my Fortresses and Liberators and I had to use them only over safe bases for a while.

...that changed when Lightnings showed up. Lightning = badass.

[Gen.Hoepner]

In this game there are still the old replacement rates...so to say more than 75 B-17s/month and even more for the other types...

String: i've tried to use them for 6 months! To fight 400Es escorted by higly experienced p-38s ( and i mean with pilots in their 80s!!!) i'd need 1000 of my fighters in a single base...and then? who's gonna fight the other 1,600 4Es in other theatres?That's why i'm retreating towards PI...there i'll have plenty of mutual supporting AFs, full of Eng, supplies and aviation support...and, above all...i'll be able to use in a more flexible way my defences...

And remember that now he has corsairs....

Anyway...we''ll soon see at Hanoi what's gonna happen. I have there 350 fighters ( with exp starting from 75!). A6M3s, Jacks,Tonies and Tojos...and probably i'll move in in the next days also a Nick Sentais....
Let's see how these guys will handle the allied masses....

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: String

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Japan proper produces about 50% of the resource requirements for Japan (including resource requirements for manpower). The daily resource need (assuming no HI increase) is slightly less than 16k and daily production is just over 8k.

Edit: China produces about 500 excess resources per day (not counting any captured bases).

are you quite sure on that? I was under the impression that it is more like 4-3k [&:]

Japan has 674 manpower. That's 6740 resources a day alone. There is also just under 9100 HI, so there's another 9100 resources used per day. That's almost 16k per day.

[AmiralLaurent]

ORIGINAL: String

by gods, use them! start putting small recon squadrons in all of your airbases.. and a few turns later concentrate 5-600 of them into a single base. See 4e bombers fall from sky!

Won't work. A base with some Jap planes will have a light red aircraft, one with 500 fighters a bright red. [:@] May work if your opponent said he will go out and you hope he will come back and play a turn drunk [:-]

[String]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: String

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Japan proper produces about 50% of the resource requirements for Japan (including resource requirements for manpower). The daily resource need (assuming no HI increase) is slightly less than 16k and daily production is just over 8k.

Edit: China produces about 500 excess resources per day (not counting any captured bases).

are you quite sure on that? I was under the impression that it is more like 4-3k [&:]

Japan has 674 manpower. That's 6740 resources a day alone. There is also just under 9100 HI, so there's another 9100 resources used per day. That's almost 16k per day.

Actually, MP doesn't use resources constantly, only when MP points are required to be produced. I had a huge excess of them in pool.

[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/22/43


Another day of war. Another day of disasters...

After the incredible raid of yesterday....today his 4Es attacked and sunk many ships that were trying to move back the rests of my Northern Oz Air Force.....1 Tony Sentai LOST forever. One Sally Sentai LOST forever. One Emily chutai LOST forever....and tomorrow will surely be even worse[:(]

Every day it gets worse....[:o]
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Day Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 36,84


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 7
B-24D Liberator x 40


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Sinko Maru, Bomb hits 1
AK Tekkai Maru
AK Yamakaze Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Fukuei Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Zuiko Maru
AK Teibo Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Sanyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AK Nittei Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Shinamogawa Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
1 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 36,84


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 6
B-17E Fortress x 22
B-24D Liberator x 37


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Kakuzan Maru, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
AK Yamasimo Maru, Bomb hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
AK Yamagiri Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Yuri Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
1 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
1 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Buin at 64,95


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 4
B-25J Mitchell x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Toei Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet

[Arstavidios]

I think units sunk on transports come back later as reinforcements..

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Arstavidios

I think units sunk on transports come back later as reinforcements..

Doesn't really matters...they come back however with pilots with exp level of 30-_-''...so better not to have them at all![:(]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/23/43

Another horrible day. Everywhere the allies are breaking my *ss. 10 more ships sunk today both at Bouganville and at Darwin...full of supplies and planes[:(]...it's so depressing.
The skies, from Bankok to Tarawa, passing by Darwin, PM and Shortland, are full of allied planes....it's an incredible power!!!!

Do you remember "A bridge too far"?..the movie i mean....when Bittrich sees the parashutes of the 1st UK Aribrone Div of Gen. Hurquart?...D'u remember what he says?..." If only i could have such a great force......"......

I agree...IF only...

[:)]

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Night Air attack on Tsuyung , at 37,31


Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 9
CW-21B Demon x 8
P-40B Tomahawk x 21
P-40E Warhawk x 21
I-153c x 18


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x I-153c bombing at 2000 feet
8 x CW-21B Demon bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Boomerang II bombing at 2000 feet
21 x P-40E Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
21 x P-40B Tomahawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Tsuyung , at 37,31


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 12
Beaufighter VIF x 9
Beaufighter VIC x 14


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Kittyhawk I bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Pago Pago , at 96,113


Allied aircraft
P-70A Havoc x 3


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-70A Havoc bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 54,93


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 2
B-17E Fortress x 60


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 87

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
21 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Darwin , at 36,84

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 15
B-24D Liberator x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 4 destroyed


Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 51

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
24 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wyndham , at 30,85


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 23


No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x P-38G Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 96,113


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 204
Kittyhawk I x 27
P-36A Mohawk x 288
P-39D Airacobra x 66
P-40E Warhawk x 20


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 167

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 129th IJA Base Force, at 29,38


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 16
B-25J Mitchell x 43


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 33rd/A Division, at 31,37


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 70


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF, near Shortlands at 64,96

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 3

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 4
B-25J Mitchell x 13

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
TK Nanei Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Nanumea , at 84,103


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 14
Kittyhawk I x 9


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 96,113


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 136
TBF Avenger x 85
A-24 Dauntless x 14


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 84

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Day Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 36,84


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 26
B-17E Fortress x 21
B-24D Liberator x 110


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Yamakaze Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AK Sanyo Maru, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
AK Nittei Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AK Teibo Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AK Yamagiri Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AK Fukuei Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Buin at 64,95


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 4
B-25J Mitchell x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Toei Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet

[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02-23/03-02 1943

Another week has passed. The Yanks have conquered Darwin, destroying what remained of the volounteers group of the 18th Mix Bde....6,000 men...6000 brave soldiers who probably have saved thousands of their comrades by an unglorius death.

Now the yankees are unloaded at Port Moresby. 2 Divisions....i guess that for tomorrow the base will be in their hands. My mines disabled some DDs and few APs..but nothing serious from what i can get from the reports.

Lunga gained level 5....so 4Es will soon destroy everything in their range. Bouganvilla has already been evacuated. Shortland has only one little base force. Rabaul will be emptied in the next 3 days. Then Kavieng, Wewak etc...

He put his dark feet in Malaya: Georgetown captured...soon my oil/res centers will be destroyed. I've already shut down most of my industry and i'm trying to save everything for the last great battle!

He did not engage Hanoi[:(]...as always, when he sees enough Jap forces he goes away-_-''...he's using his heaviests in Burma to attack my troops that are defending the Bankok's border....[>:]

In China we took another smashing victory! Lanchow fell with 100,000 chinese[;)]...now we're moving to the next stronghold: Sining!
BANZAIIII



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[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/03/43


My mines are doing a fair job, but nothing that can stop the allied steamroller!
Now the Tommies are spreading like a mortal desease in Malaya and today they started to invade Sumatra.
At PM they landed a Huge force that surely will conquer the base easily, with the support of 4 BBs, several CAs and hundreds of 4Es that level the place.


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TF 1006 encounters mine field at Port Moresby (54,93)

TF 1006 troops unloading over beach at Port Moresby, 54,93


Allied Ships
MSW Sheldrake
MSW Pursuit
MSW Lithgow
MSW Bowen
APD Stringham
APD Little
AP Dardanus, Mine hits 1, on fire
APD McKean
DD McCalla
AP Esperance Bay, Mine hits 1, on fire
AP George F. Elliot, Mine hits 1, on fire
AP Pijnacker Hordijk, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Coastal Guns at Port Moresby, 54,93, firing at TF 1006

Allied ground losses:
802 casualties reported


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TF 1006 encounters mine field at Port Moresby (54,93)

TF 1006 troops unloading over beach at Port Moresby, 54,93


Allied Ships
MSW Sheldrake
MSW Pursuit
MSW Lithgow
MSW Bowen
APD Stringham
APD Little
DD McCalla
AP Pijnacker Hordijk, Mine hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
APD McKean


Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported

Coastal Guns at Port Moresby, 54,93, firing at TF 1006
23 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
628 casualties reported

[Speedysteve]

I'm sorry Gen but I really do think this tactic of retreat will lead to an early collapse.

I hope it doesn't but I think the steamroller is moving and it won't be stopped now [:(]

Best of luck with it though [:)]

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Speedy

I'm sorry Gen but I really do think this tactic of retreat will lead to an early collapse.

I hope it doesn't but I think the steamroller is moving and it won't be stopped now [:(]

Best of luck with it though [:)]

I'm starting to think you( and those who have been telling me the same in the last days) are right speedy. However now it's too late for going back. Let's see if i can hurt him somehow in the next weeks....

[06 Maestro]

BANZAIIII, BANZAIIII, BANZAIIII! Make him fight for a year to clear the Solomans-that'l teach him. No more withdrawls.

[Gen.Hoepner]

Solomons are already evacuated.

PM was captured.
Malaya and Sumatra will soon be in allied's hands.

In 3/4 months the REAL battle will begin!

BANZAI!


( i know it's very boring nowdays...and i'm sorry for that[:o])

[general billy]

I think ur strategy is sound, let him get over confident and then go for a decisive battle of your choice. The question is where?

[Gen.Hoepner]

I'll attack in force as soon as he lands in the PI,Palau,Truk or Mariannas. I won't defend anything beyond these strongpoints