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RE: Intent

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Clearly the intent is to limit units assigned to restricted HQ to those areas defined as belonging to those HQ.

Opinion, not fact. Seriously, I am confused by such assertions from a beta tester that go against what I read in the manual.
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RE: Intent

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Hi, I think I have a pretty go idea of the intent. Had I realized players were going to exploit the system before release there would be code in place to prevent it and thats a fact.
Players need to be allowed to move units inside the restricted area. Now there is a need for code to limit them because they cannot limit themselves.

It was never intented that a player be allowed to move the bulk of the China army into Manchuria to attack the Soviets or units from manchuria to attack the Chinese.
PP/HQ change requirements were thought to be enough.
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RE: Intent

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I face 2 armies of each 230k men..now I know where they are from [8|]
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RE: Intent

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, I think I have a pretty go idea of the intent. Had I realized players were going to exploit the system before release there would be code in place to prevent it and thats a fact.

No, I don't believe this is a fact at this point. Until there is official word on the matter it is only opinion.
Players need to be allowed to move units inside the restricted area. Now there is a need for code to limit them because they cannot limit themselves.

It was never intented that a player be allowed to move the bulk of the China army into Manchuria to attack the Soviets or units from manchuria to attack the Chinese.
PP/HQ change requirements were thought to be enough.

Why not? If they move too much from China to Manchuria the Chinese will then get the upperhand. There need be no restrictions because the reality of the situation of the ground is restriction enough.

I've read everything there is in the manual about political points, HQ units, and Manchuria. There is nothing that indicates one can't move units around from zone to zone. As long as the 8000 assault value is kept in Manchuria, there will be no Soviet activation. HQs are primarily for combat benefit, not zone restiction.
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RE: Intent

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ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf

I face 2 armies of each 230k men..now I know where they are from [8|]

The Japanese force in China can put that strength together without drawing from Manchuria.
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RE: Freeze manchuria

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, No your missing the point. In order to leave Manchuria the units should change HQ. That costs PP. Just because they can march out does not mean you should do it. We forgot to put code to prevent units from moving overland out of their HQ area. (Manchuria and China are the only HQ where this is possible. I always thought people talking about Chinese units in Burma were refering to those units assigned to SEAC not China Command. Chinese units should not leave China (even to invade Indo-China) Chinese units assigned to China Command should be restricted to only areas that are (or were pre 1931) China or Manchuria. Chinese units wishing to enter another area should have to change HQ to one allowed to do so and pay PP.
Japanese forces deployed in Korea and Manchuria should not depart without changing HQ (and paying the PP)
The correct (historical) means of getting a unit from Manchuria is to send a lower trained replacement unit and withdraw a trained unit.

This is plain wrong. You put an unhistorical limit to Japan decisions that were made for the real war and that couldn't happen in a game. What if Japan kills all china? or manage to destory 50% of their troops? why in this scenario the japanese player can't decide to move tropps to burma? or have to wait 5 months to move one unit in burma? do you think this would be fair?
If you want to prevent player moving units out of manchuria, simply rise the AV required for soviet staying inactive.

If you want to add restrictions, put rules that adapts to the situation in the game. Or you add new problems.
if you want people to not move units out of Manchuria, rise the requirement AV to 9000. So no japanese player can do anything.

And let china as it is now. if japanese player wins in chine, he SHOULD be able to move units out. you already have the garrison limits to oblige to keep units in china.
PP, as it is, free up a division every 5 months more or less. this works great in a balanced fight. but if one side wins, the PP becomes totally unrealistic.
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RE: Freeze manchuria

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On the other hand, the Allies are limited in the way they can move around their ground units, they have to pay PP to move units from the philipines or DEI to other areas. It would be quite logical to give the Manchurian Front the same restriction as the allied side.
Gamewise this would be the best choice.

Even if you think about it IRL, a unit could not be halfway across the world from its headquarters area of operations, logistics and effectiveness would go to hell.
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RE: Freeze manchuria

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ORIGINAL: Smiffus64

On the other hand, the Allies are limited in the way they can move around their ground units, they have to pay PP to move units from the philipines or DEI to other areas. It would be quite logical to give the Manchurian Front the same restriction as the allied side.
Gamewise this would be the best choice.

Even if you think about it IRL, a unit could not be halfway across the world from its headquarters area of operations, logistics and effectiveness would go to hell.


well, germans in ww2 were moving from france to russia.
anyway, i want to strech the fatc that there is already a big limit to japan moving untis out of manchuria. 8000 must be kept there. it's not enough? then simply rise that limit without inventing new restrictions that could eventually be totally unrealistic in some games.

even now, anyway, japan can get 2-3 divs out of manchuria anyway. if developers didn't want japan to move any division, then they would have simply put the limit to 9000.
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RE: Freeze manchuria

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you don't get the point, it's not that you shouldn't be able to move units out of Manchuria, it's that you have to pay political points for it (because you need to switch HQs)

Germans in France were part of OKW, those in Russia of other HQs
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RE: Freeze manchuria

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ORIGINAL: Smiffus64

you don't get the point, it's not that you shouldn't be able to move units out of Manchuria, it's that you have to pay political points for it (because you need to switch HQs)

Germans in France were part of OKW, those in Russia of other HQs

Then charge the allies for moving chinese units into Burma AND moving Burma units into china... Lots of allied players move several units from china into Burma to help hold against the Japanese advancement.. They also send british air units into china to bomb industry/resources/oil in chinese bases... If you want to restrict Manchurian units going to china, then you need to restrict British forces going to china / chinese units going to Burma as well...

Right now the air units in Manchuria need PP to get them out of the area - which is a fairly cheap way to increase your air power in china or elsewhere with no cost - the units in manchuria are not needed until the Soviets come alive - and by then the war is over... BUT the ground units can simply march overland to china and Burma if they want. I don't have a problem with this as both sides can do it... Manchurian troops help invade china (keeping above the 8000 AP level needed - I actually keep above 9000 just to be safe).. On the other hand Chinese units can march (for free) into Burma and help in the war there. And British air units can move into china (for free) and help there...

As it stands I see no problems... If everyone wants to complain then we can simply raise the AP value to keep the soviets peaceful. No sense intrroducing new code that will have to be tested and debugged when simply raising the AP value in Manchuria is already in the game and tested...

Just my two cents worth...

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RE: Freeze manchuria

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As it stands I see no problems... If everyone wants to complain then we can simply raise the AP value to keep the soviets peaceful. No sense intrroducing new code that will have to be tested and debugged when simply raising the AP value in Manchuria is already in the game and tested...

Just my two cents worth...

Xargun

I agree. There is no logical reason to restrict moving units from China and Manchuria back and forth. The only thing is you need to keep that 8000 assualt point level if you wish to keep the Soviet at the war. As it is now, the Commonwealth can move units into China. This is much less likely to happen than an exchang of units between the Chinese and Manchuria commands.
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RE: Freeze manchuria

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/11/42

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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Air war over Chungking continues.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7
Ki-21 Sally x 16
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 5
I-16c x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged
I-16c: 4 destroyed

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
Ki-21 Sally x 35
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
108 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 48

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
22 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 31,35


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 45
Hudson I x 2
Beaufort V-IX x 9
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 2
B-17E Fortress x 29


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
170 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 6000 feet
14 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 59th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 3
I-16c x 3
SB-2c x 6


Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 1,33
Found some transports west of Sumatra.


Japanese aircraft
E8N Dave x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
E8N Dave: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AP Van Cloon
AP Van Neck
AP Van Riebeek
AP Siberg

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 1,33

Japanese aircraft
E8N Dave x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
E8N Dave: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AP Buyskens, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Siberg
AP Van Cloon, Bomb hits 1
AP Camphuys

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Clark Field
Disappointing failure to reduce fortification level.


Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 79701 troops, 399 guns, 499 vehicles

Defending force 93721 troops, 829 guns, 290 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 5)


Japanese ground losses:
2662 casualties reported
Guns lost 31
Vehicles lost 10

Allied ground losses:
1745 casualties reported
Guns lost 28
Vehicles lost 3


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Ground combat at Chungking
Only three more to go.


Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 242392 troops, 1479 guns, 289 vehicles

Defending force 232025 troops, 1116 guns, 74 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)


Japanese ground losses:
6309 casualties reported
Guns lost 52
Vehicles lost 4

Allied ground losses:
3298 casualties reported
Guns lost 37


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Ground combat at Kweilin
Preparing for the next assault.


Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 120669 troops, 1383 guns, 10 vehicles

Defending force 78496 troops, 424 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
207 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70790 troops, 832 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 65260 troops, 438 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 43,40

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20148 troops, 230 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 37519 troops, 193 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24065 troops, 243 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24023 troops, 104 guns, 15 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Bali
Another airfield taken close to Java.


Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2035 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 220 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Bali base !!!



Allied ground losses:
292 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 140434 troops, 751 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 282298 troops, 1844 guns, 291 vehicles



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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack
Japanese force nearing 40,000.


Attacking force 4500 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 38281 troops, 350 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Auckland
That's right.


Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 76094 troops, 604 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 62638 troops, 674 guns, 36 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
590 casualties reported
Guns lost 26
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
2562 casualties reported
Guns lost 34
Vehicles lost 5








AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/12/42


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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 19

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6
Ki-21 Sally x 10
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 3
I-16c x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 8 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
I-16c: 2 destroyed

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
Ki-21 Sally x 35
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 5 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 35th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 2
I-16c x 3
SB-2c x 6


Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 31,35


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 33
Hudson I x 2
Beaufort V-IX x 7
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 3
B-17E Fortress x 22


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
143 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 6000 feet
10 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Division, at 63,132


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
Kittyhawk I x 15
B-26B Marauder x 7


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 1,33

Japanese aircraft
E8N Dave x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP Van Landsberge, Bomb hits 1
AP Rooseboom
AP Siberg

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 1,33

Japanese aircraft
E8N Dave x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
E8N Dave: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AS Colombia
AP Camphuys

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Kweilin

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 120846 troops, 1389 guns, 10 vehicles

Defending force 78168 troops, 425 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
192 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 113572 troops, 1023 guns, 1 vehicles

Defending force 227926 troops, 1017 guns, 73 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
107 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70739 troops, 835 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 65098 troops, 440 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
144 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at 43,40

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20140 troops, 231 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 37370 troops, 191 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24310 troops, 242 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24076 troops, 103 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6692 troops, 226 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 91886 troops, 768 guns, 289 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 140867 troops, 763 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 297805 troops, 2011 guns, 306 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4505 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 38603 troops, 352 guns, 0 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6026 troops, 40 guns, 4 vehicles

Defending force 61968 troops, 647 guns, 35 vehicles
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RE: Freeze manchuria

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/13/42

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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
3 for 3, good bombing.

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 2
CL Kashii, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6
Ki-21 Sally x 13
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 2
I-16c x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 6 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
Ki-51 Sonia x 11
Ki-21 Sally x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Dos Hermanos, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Compagnia Filipinas, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Escalante R, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
Ki-21 Sally x 21
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 10 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 35th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 2
I-16c x 10
SB-2c x 6


Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 31,35


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 44
Hudson I x 2
Beaufort V-IX x 7
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 2
B-17E Fortress x 25


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
194 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Brigade, at 63,132


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
Kittyhawk I x 5
B-26B Marauder x 9


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Singkawang at 25,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 22
Ki-48 Lily x 5

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Brewster 339D: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Santa Ana, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking
Just two more to go.

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 256064 troops, 1819 guns, 308 vehicles

Defending force 245943 troops, 1149 guns, 72 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2)


Japanese ground losses:
9352 casualties reported
Guns lost 143
Vehicles lost 9

Allied ground losses:
3073 casualties reported
Guns lost 55


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Ground combat at Kweilin
This battle can be won soon.


Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 130959 troops, 1401 guns, 302 vehicles

Defending force 77903 troops, 419 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 1)


Japanese ground losses:
1623 casualties reported
Guns lost 43
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
1549 casualties reported
Guns lost 25


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70806 troops, 835 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 64864 troops, 437 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at 43,40

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20157 troops, 231 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 37333 troops, 187 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24467 troops, 248 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24126 troops, 104 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Clark Field
Short pause in Luzon operation begins.


Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25544 troops, 269 guns, 146 vehicles

Defending force 92314 troops, 787 guns, 294 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
267 casualties reported
Guns lost 7


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 139361 troops, 698 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 288845 troops, 1754 guns, 441 vehicles



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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4513 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 38823 troops, 357 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1







AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/14/42


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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 9


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 2

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
Ki-51 Sonia x 5
Ki-21 Sally x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Escalante R, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-21 Sally x 23
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 28

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 35th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 2
I-16c x 7
SB-2c x 6


Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Division, at 63,132


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
Kittyhawk I x 12
B-26B Marauder x 7


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 5
B-25C Mitchell x 12
B-26B Marauder x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 18
P-40E Warhawk x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 28
B-26B Marauder x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 5 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya, Bomb hits 2
DD Yugure

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
2 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
2 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Singkawang at 25,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 16
Ki-48 Lily x 5

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 2 destroyed


Allied Ships
AK Santa Ana, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 60675 troops, 656 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 242232 troops, 1065 guns, 72 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70823 troops, 837 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 64931 troops, 437 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at 43,40

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20160 troops, 231 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 37242 troops, 186 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24452 troops, 245 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24191 troops, 105 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25732 troops, 272 guns, 147 vehicles

Defending force 92536 troops, 790 guns, 293 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
316 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 139544 troops, 712 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 291321 troops, 1761 guns, 446 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4472 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 38815 troops, 353 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
2 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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RE: Freeze manchuria

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ORIGINAL: Xargun
ORIGINAL: Smiffus64

you don't get the point, it's not that you shouldn't be able to move units out of Manchuria, it's that you have to pay political points for it (because you need to switch HQs)

Germans in France were part of OKW, those in Russia of other HQs

Then charge the allies for moving chinese units into Burma AND moving Burma units into china... Lots of allied players move several units from china into Burma to help hold against the Japanese advancement.. They also send british air units into china to bomb industry/resources/oil in chinese bases... If you want to restrict Manchurian units going to china, then you need to restrict British forces going to china / chinese units going to Burma as well...

Right now the air units in Manchuria need PP to get them out of the area - which is a fairly cheap way to increase your air power in china or elsewhere with no cost - the units in manchuria are not needed until the Soviets come alive - and by then the war is over... BUT the ground units can simply march overland to china and Burma if they want. I don't have a problem with this as both sides can do it... Manchurian troops help invade china (keeping above the 8000 AP level needed - I actually keep above 9000 just to be safe).. On the other hand Chinese units can march (for free) into Burma and help in the war there. And British air units can move into china (for free) and help there...

As it stands I see no problems... If everyone wants to complain then we can simply raise the AP value to keep the soviets peaceful. No sense intrroducing new code that will have to be tested and debugged when simply raising the AP value in Manchuria is already in the game and tested...

Just my two cents worth...

Xargun

My point exactly. just rise the limit if you want japan player to not use any of manchuria divs.
it's tested and working
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One more to go

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/15/42

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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Kashima, Bomb hits 1
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
Ki-21 Sally x 12
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 4
I-16c x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 2 destroyed
I-16c: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged
SB-2c: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
146 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9

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Day Air attack on 2nd Division, at 63,132

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
Kittyhawk I x 12
B-26B Marauder x 8

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Singkawang at 25,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 18
Ki-48 Lily x 3

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AK Santa Ana, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 19
P-40E Warhawk x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 19
B-26B Marauder x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya, Bomb hits 3


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Ground combat at Chungking
Down to one fortification level. Then the real fun begins.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 235349 troops, 1551 guns, 448 vehicles

Defending force 242521 troops, 1071 guns, 72 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 1)


Japanese ground losses:
2346 casualties reported
Guns lost 41
Vehicles lost 18

Allied ground losses:
2951 casualties reported
Guns lost 88


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Ground combat at Kweilin


Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 122183 troops, 1336 guns, 155 vehicles

Defending force 75726 troops, 367 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
111 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70976 troops, 838 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 64906 troops, 438 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 43,40

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20107 troops, 231 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 37306 troops, 184 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24633 troops, 246 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24187 troops, 105 guns, 16 vehicles



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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25929 troops, 273 guns, 147 vehicles

Defending force 92520 troops, 803 guns, 294 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 137048 troops, 614 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 258694 troops, 1515 guns, 431 vehicles



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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 39967 troops, 485 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 26468 troops, 180 guns, 3 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4528 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 39123 troops, 359 guns, 0 vehicles






AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/16/42


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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
Ships in Dutch Harbor taking a beating.

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 4

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Kashii, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 108,71

Japanese Ships
PG Chosa Maru
PC Ch 7

Allied Ships
SS Plunger

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Sub attack at 108,71
Nice try fellows.


Japanese Ships
PG Chosa Maru
PC Ch 7

Allied Ships
SS Plunger

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Day Air attack on 39th Division, at 43,33

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 4
SB-2c x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 31,35

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 37
Hudson I x 2
Beaufort V-IX x 9
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
B-17E Fortress x 17

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

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Day Air attack on TF, near Singkawang at 25,57
Santa Ana sure is taking a lot of hits.


Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 16
Ki-48 Lily x 5

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 3 destroyed


Allied Ships
AK Santa Ana, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 12
P-40E Warhawk x 7
B-25C Mitchell x 16
B-26B Marauder x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Canberra Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA Suzuya, Bomb hits 3


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Ground combat at Kweilin

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 122600 troops, 1349 guns, 155 vehicles

Defending force 75348 troops, 365 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
120 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 114811 troops, 923 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 240506 troops, 976 guns, 72 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 71050 troops, 839 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 64996 troops, 441 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at 43,40

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20129 troops, 232 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 37178 troops, 178 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24776 troops, 249 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24245 troops, 107 guns, 16 vehicles



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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26008 troops, 281 guns, 147 vehicles

Defending force 93301 troops, 828 guns, 295 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
155 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 137167 troops, 629 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 284305 troops, 1790 guns, 434 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 39985 troops, 489 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 26300 troops, 174 guns, 2 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4580 troops, 41 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 39466 troops, 361 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Carriers Hit

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/17/42

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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 11

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 7


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Over 500 casualties just by airfield attack.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
Ki-21 Sally x 36
Ki-49 Helen x 26
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
550 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 45

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
19 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
D3A Val x 8
B5N Kate x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 4 damaged
B5N Kate: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
D3A Val x 26
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 10 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51
These daily multiple supply hits must be cutting into the supply level.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
Ki-21 Sally x 18
Ki-48 Lily x 27
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 67

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
27 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Imperial Guards Division, at 28,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 32
Hudson I x 1
P-40B Tomahawk x 6
P-40E Warhawk x 20
B-17E Fortress x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Wellington III bombing at 19000 feet
12 x Wellington III bombing at 19000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 19000 feet
9 x Wellington III bombing at 19000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 21000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 21000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 21000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34
Goodbye CA, DD. My land-based aircraft wait until afternoon to fly, but then the clouds come in.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13
SBD Dauntless x 54

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 9 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Yugure, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CA Suzuya, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 19
P-40E Warhawk x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 18 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Canberra Maru, heavy damage
CA Suzuya, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132
Vals get decimated, Kates do fine.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
D3A Val x 39
B5N Kate x 35

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14
Kittyhawk I x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 13 destroyed
D3A Val: 42 destroyed, 5 damaged
B5N Kate: 11 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 17 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 7 destroyed, 7 damaged
PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed
Hudson I: 2 destroyed

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
12 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 65,128
I should have a total of over 60 Zeros. 16 + 22 is way short of 60+


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
SBD Dauntless x 32
Kittyhawk I x 17
Hudson I x 8
Beaufort V-IX x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 13 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 5 destroyed
Hudson I: 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo
CV Junyo, Bomb hits 2, on fire moderate damage
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire moderate damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking
Pounding fist on table, "Chungrad must be taken!"

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 252644 troops, 1702 guns, 294 vehicles

Defending force 243622 troops, 1020 guns, 70 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
4290 casualties reported
Guns lost 79
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
2950 casualties reported
Guns lost 89


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Ground combat at Kweilin
Another drop to zero fortifications.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 130233 troops, 1352 guns, 299 vehicles

Defending force 74942 troops, 358 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
1418 casualties reported
Guns lost 48

Allied ground losses:
1639 casualties reported
Guns lost 54


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 71070 troops, 839 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 65124 troops, 438 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
84 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26249 troops, 283 guns, 147 vehicles

Defending force 93465 troops, 847 guns, 295 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
395 casualties reported
Guns lost 10


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5546 troops, 31 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24344 troops, 106 guns, 16 vehicles



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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 135647 troops, 566 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 266209 troops, 1677 guns, 427 vehicles



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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 40617 troops, 513 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 26277 troops, 172 guns, 2 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2838 troops, 110 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 65668 troops, 421 guns, 1 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
72 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4629 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 39539 troops, 364 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1








AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/18/42


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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 65,126

Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo
DD Yamagumo
DD Hatsukaze

Allied Ships
SS S-45

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ASW attack at 45,48

Japanese Ships
PG Muro Maru
PG Eifuku Maru
PC Shimushu
PC Ch 9
PG Tatsumiya Maru
PC Ch 8
MSW Banshu Maru #18

Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 46
Ki-21 Sally x 29
Ki-49 Helen x 21
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 6 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
258 casualties reported

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
D3A Val x 5
B5N Kate x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
B5N Kate: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Dos Hermanos, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
5 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 17
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Escalante R, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-21 Sally x 24
Ki-48 Lily x 25
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 41

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
22 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 110,34
Finally my Kates out of Kodiak get involved.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N Kate x 18

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 53

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 16 destroyed
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 17 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied Ships
CA San Francisco
CV Hornet, Torpedo hits 2 Please sink.

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Singkawang at 25,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 18
Ki-48 Lily x 5

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Brewster 339D: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Santa Ana, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 118115 troops, 1073 guns, 1 vehicles

Defending force 239294 troops, 920 guns, 70 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
232 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 45950 troops, 511 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 65143 troops, 440 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26394 troops, 285 guns, 147 vehicles

Defending force 93262 troops, 858 guns, 297 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5589 troops, 31 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24411 troops, 109 guns, 16 vehicles



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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 135996 troops, 580 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 267809 troops, 1694 guns, 431 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 40605 troops, 516 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 26151 troops, 173 guns, 2 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
77 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2782 troops, 106 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 65544 troops, 417 guns, 1 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4680 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 39624 troops, 365 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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RE: Carriers Hit

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As long as you cannot ferry units out of Manchuria or China by ship unless changing the HQ, it is ok to move units out of Manchuria. same accounts for air units. Here a HQ change should be a prerequisite (The player knows the russians won't attack, but could the japanese be sure about it historically, i guess not). As much as i know, all of this is already in the game. Therefore, no changes needed.
now regarding this AAR, what is the situation of japanese oil and resources? what is the score? After all, the whole idea of this plan was to gain a 4-1 supperiority in points, this way ending the war. how close have you gotten to this. any chance of still archieving it?
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RE: Carriers Hit

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The score I see is 14,000 some to 22,000 some Japan. I have no clue how much oil he has moved. With allied sub doc on, may subs hardly ever attack anything or hit it. I wonder what his supply situation in China is, how is his garrisoning going. I would think things are pretty messy behind his lines, because he has some many troops there in combat.
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RE: Carriers Hit

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No, I can't get close to the 4-1 advantage now. Now I will try to dig in to the Pacific and get ready for the counterattack. Oil and resources are still fine. Getting several of the oil fields early on helps.
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Here is some up to date stuff

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