I have taken over this game on June 6th 1943, when the previous allied commander resigned. One look at the map might explain why.
We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
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We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
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I have taken over this game on June 6th 1943, when the previous allied commander resigned. One look at the map might explain why.
I have taken over this game on June 6th 1943, when the previous allied commander resigned. One look at the map might explain why.
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The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. (late war allied AAR)
The allied losses so far are somewhat severe. All CVs are sunk except the Essex. I have all CVEs and CVLs, but that is not really something you'd want to face the KB with. Right now the fleet consists of the CV Essex, 4 CVLs and 7 CVEs. I have 13 BBs and a myriad of other ships of cource. The bright spot is the airforce which seems to be intact, same with the submarine fleet.
In India, the British are holding Karachi with 12000 AV. Yes, that is right...12000. It seems half the Chinese army is here aswell. All of China is lost. In the Soviet union, Irkutsk is the only remaining base. It is held by 4000 AVs.
All of northern Australia is lost, but there are no signs of any land attack south.
In India, the British are holding Karachi with 12000 AV. Yes, that is right...12000. It seems half the Chinese army is here aswell. All of China is lost. In the Soviet union, Irkutsk is the only remaining base. It is held by 4000 AVs.
All of northern Australia is lost, but there are no signs of any land attack south.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. (late war allied AAR)
As for the Japanese, they have lost a handful of DDs and 3 CLs.
Yes...you read it right. The Japs have lost the sum total of 3 CLs. Naturally theyve lost some assorted AKs, MSWs, and PCs...but thats about it.
As you might imagine, defeating this evil empire is no small order. The industrial base of the Empire must be astounding, in fact this is the first time Ive come across a Japanese Empire spanning all of continental asia, aswell as northern Australia.
Yes...you read it right. The Japs have lost the sum total of 3 CLs. Naturally theyve lost some assorted AKs, MSWs, and PCs...but thats about it.
As you might imagine, defeating this evil empire is no small order. The industrial base of the Empire must be astounding, in fact this is the first time Ive come across a Japanese Empire spanning all of continental asia, aswell as northern Australia.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. (late war allied AAR)
To get into the spirit of things...
We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction.
On the contrary, if tonight our people were asked to cast their vote whether a convention should be entered into to stop the bombing of cities, the overwhelming majority would cry, "No, we will mete out to them the measure, and more than the measure, that they have meted out to us." The people with one voice would say: "You have committed every crime under the sun. Where you have been the least resisted there you have been the most brutal. It was you who began the indiscriminate bombing. We will have no truce or parley with you, or the grisly gang who work your wicked will. You do your worst - and we will do our best." Perhaps it may be our turn soon; perhaps it may be our turn now.
We live in a terrible epoch of the human story, but we believe there is a broad and sure justice running through its theme. It is time that the enemy should be made to suffer in their own homelands something of the torment they have let loose upon their neighbours and upon the world. We believe it to be in our power to keep this process going, on a steadily rising tide, month after month, year after year, until they are either extirpated by us or, better still, torn to pieces by their own people.
We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction.
On the contrary, if tonight our people were asked to cast their vote whether a convention should be entered into to stop the bombing of cities, the overwhelming majority would cry, "No, we will mete out to them the measure, and more than the measure, that they have meted out to us." The people with one voice would say: "You have committed every crime under the sun. Where you have been the least resisted there you have been the most brutal. It was you who began the indiscriminate bombing. We will have no truce or parley with you, or the grisly gang who work your wicked will. You do your worst - and we will do our best." Perhaps it may be our turn soon; perhaps it may be our turn now.
We live in a terrible epoch of the human story, but we believe there is a broad and sure justice running through its theme. It is time that the enemy should be made to suffer in their own homelands something of the torment they have let loose upon their neighbours and upon the world. We believe it to be in our power to keep this process going, on a steadily rising tide, month after month, year after year, until they are either extirpated by us or, better still, torn to pieces by their own people.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
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Canoerebel
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Compunction? Say what?
Did Churchill really use the word "compunction" in that quote? If so, the quote makes no sense. Compunction means "unease or doubt created by wrongdoing." So if Churchill used compunction, he was saying, "We ask no favors from the enemy, we seek from them no unease or doubt created by wrongdoing." Huh?
Good luck with your game! Hat's off to those who take on the task of cleaning up someone else's mess.
Good luck with your game! Hat's off to those who take on the task of cleaning up someone else's mess.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
Compunction = remorse
Well, I believe he used the word in the meaning of remorse.
So the quote goes something along the line of "We ask of them no favours, we dont want their remorse" (instead we will give them back twice as bad, just you guys wait for Hamburg and Dresden).
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dict ... 03719.html
So the quote goes something along the line of "We ask of them no favours, we dont want their remorse" (instead we will give them back twice as bad, just you guys wait for Hamburg and Dresden).
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dict ... 03719.html
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
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Dive Bomber1
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RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. (late war allied AAR)
ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
As for the Japanese, they have lost a handful of DDs and 3 CLs.
Yes...you read it right. The Japs have lost the sum total of 3 CLs. Naturally theyve lost some assorted AKs, MSWs, and PCs...but thats about it.
As you might imagine, defeating this evil empire is no small order. The industrial base of the Empire must be astounding, in fact this is the first time Ive come across a Japanese Empire spanning all of continental asia, aswell as northern Australia.
I'm in total awe of your opponent. I could only dream of accomplishing so much... [&o]
On the other hand, why don't you start to build up Alaska and the Aleutians in a BIG way, and start an invasion of the Kuriles as soon as Winter breaks out? The bad weather will nullify the advantage of the KB.
I look forward to following this AAR so that I can learn what the Allies might/could do against me in my pbems... [:D]
Good luck -
Dive
RE: Compunction? Say what?
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Did Churchill really use the word "compunction" in that quote? If so, the quote makes no sense. Compunction means "unease or doubt created by wrongdoing." So if Churchill used compunction, he was saying, "We ask no favors from the enemy, we seek from them no unease or doubt created by wrongdoing." Huh?
Well, in the general course of human existence, it is generally considered wrong to kill people, destroy their cities, etc... of course, this gets into a big discussion about the slippery morality of war.
i think the word is used appropriately.
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
NAVY REPORT 19430606
Total # ships under construction
20 CVs
9 CVLs
79 CVEs
18 BBs
Ships due to enter service during 1943:
USN
CV Bunker Hill
CV Intrepid
CV Franklin
CVL Monterey
CVL Cabot
CVL Langley
CVL Bataan
CVL San Jacinto
BB Alabama
9 CVE
RN
BB Resolution
BB Warspite
1 CVE
Ships due to enter service in 1944:
CV Wasp
CV Yorktown
CV Hornet
CV Lexington
CV Saratoga
CV Enterprise
CV Bennington
CV Ticonderoga
CV Hancock
CV Randolph
CV Shangri-La
CV Bon Homme Richard
BB Iowa
BB New Jersey
BB Richelieu
37 CVE
RN
CV Indefatigable
BB Queen Elisabeth
BC Renown
BB Howe
BB King George V
2 CVE
State of the fleet today has been reported earlier.
ESTIMATES
#1 At the end of this year, allied forces will have a fleet capable of conducting major offensive operations inside friendly aircover.
#2 In one years time, allied forces will be capable of conducting two (2) simultaneous offensive operations inside friendly aircover, OR one (1) offensive operation outside friendly aircover.
#3 By the end of 1944 it can be expected that allied forces will have fought at least one major engagement against the forces of Japan, after which, either the forces or the forces of Japan will achieve complete sea supremacy.
RECOMMENDATIONS
#1 No offensive operation be conducted outside friendly aircover for the remainder of 1943.
#2 Major naval engagement against the forces of Imperial Japan to be avoided until mid 1944.
Total # ships under construction
20 CVs
9 CVLs
79 CVEs
18 BBs
Ships due to enter service during 1943:
USN
CV Bunker Hill
CV Intrepid
CV Franklin
CVL Monterey
CVL Cabot
CVL Langley
CVL Bataan
CVL San Jacinto
BB Alabama
9 CVE
RN
BB Resolution
BB Warspite
1 CVE
Ships due to enter service in 1944:
CV Wasp
CV Yorktown
CV Hornet
CV Lexington
CV Saratoga
CV Enterprise
CV Bennington
CV Ticonderoga
CV Hancock
CV Randolph
CV Shangri-La
CV Bon Homme Richard
BB Iowa
BB New Jersey
BB Richelieu
37 CVE
RN
CV Indefatigable
BB Queen Elisabeth
BC Renown
BB Howe
BB King George V
2 CVE
State of the fleet today has been reported earlier.
ESTIMATES
#1 At the end of this year, allied forces will have a fleet capable of conducting major offensive operations inside friendly aircover.
#2 In one years time, allied forces will be capable of conducting two (2) simultaneous offensive operations inside friendly aircover, OR one (1) offensive operation outside friendly aircover.
#3 By the end of 1944 it can be expected that allied forces will have fought at least one major engagement against the forces of Japan, after which, either the forces or the forces of Japan will achieve complete sea supremacy.
RECOMMENDATIONS
#1 No offensive operation be conducted outside friendly aircover for the remainder of 1943.
#2 Major naval engagement against the forces of Imperial Japan to be avoided until mid 1944.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
AIR FORCE REPORT 19430606
Total # of avaliable fighters, all theaters: 2336 (+ 1015 navy-based)*
Total # of avaliable bombers, all theaters: 2615 (+440 navy-based)*
Reinforcements due to arrive in 1943: 36 fighter airwings, approx 900 aircraft; 27 bomber airwings, approx 400 aircraft; 12 torpedo/divebomber airwings, approx 200 aircraft.
ESTIMATE
#1 The air force is fully capable to defend own bases in all theaters.
#2 The air force is able to mount one sustained offensive operation. Any such operation requires at least two airfields to base from, with at least two bases in the rear for unit rotation.
#3 The state of the pilot corp is less than optimal with an average experience level of the fighter arm estimated as average (low 60s).
RECOMMENDATION
#1 The air force is to remain in defensive posture in the asian theaters for the remainder of 1943.
#2 The air force is capable of an offensive operation in the pacific theater in late 1943.
* Navy based number includes aircraft currently in sea-borne transit.
Total # of avaliable fighters, all theaters: 2336 (+ 1015 navy-based)*
Total # of avaliable bombers, all theaters: 2615 (+440 navy-based)*
Reinforcements due to arrive in 1943: 36 fighter airwings, approx 900 aircraft; 27 bomber airwings, approx 400 aircraft; 12 torpedo/divebomber airwings, approx 200 aircraft.
ESTIMATE
#1 The air force is fully capable to defend own bases in all theaters.
#2 The air force is able to mount one sustained offensive operation. Any such operation requires at least two airfields to base from, with at least two bases in the rear for unit rotation.
#3 The state of the pilot corp is less than optimal with an average experience level of the fighter arm estimated as average (low 60s).
RECOMMENDATION
#1 The air force is to remain in defensive posture in the asian theaters for the remainder of 1943.
#2 The air force is capable of an offensive operation in the pacific theater in late 1943.
* Navy based number includes aircraft currently in sea-borne transit.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
STATE OF ENEMY FORCES 1943 #1
GENERAL
- Enemy seems to be holding a defensive posture in INDIA, AUSTRALIA, Pacific.
- Enemy have been observed to advance on IRKUTSK.
- There is no indication of enemy offensive operations in the pacific for the next three months.
NAVY
- Location of enemy CV forces is unknown.
- A force of 4-5 Capital ships including 1-3 BBs are known to operate from BOMBAY, INDIA.
ARMY
- Intel (mail communications) Indicate the presence of 4+ Divisions in AUSTRALIA, 12+ Divisions in the USSR and 8+ Divisions in INDIA.
- Due to the complete conquest of CHINA, USSR and INDIA, enemy land forces can be expected to be numerous, highly experienced and with excellent morale.
AIRFORCE
- Large airunits have been observed in INDIA and the USSR. Recent recon reports indicate the presence of 200+ fighters at LAE. Other than that, enemy force compositions are unknown. Due to earlier campaigns and their outcome, enemy forces should be assumed to be of high experience and morale.
ECONOMY
-Due to the conquest of resources, oil and industry centers, enemy economical situation is very strong.
GENERAL
- Enemy seems to be holding a defensive posture in INDIA, AUSTRALIA, Pacific.
- Enemy have been observed to advance on IRKUTSK.
- There is no indication of enemy offensive operations in the pacific for the next three months.
NAVY
- Location of enemy CV forces is unknown.
- A force of 4-5 Capital ships including 1-3 BBs are known to operate from BOMBAY, INDIA.
ARMY
- Intel (mail communications) Indicate the presence of 4+ Divisions in AUSTRALIA, 12+ Divisions in the USSR and 8+ Divisions in INDIA.
- Due to the complete conquest of CHINA, USSR and INDIA, enemy land forces can be expected to be numerous, highly experienced and with excellent morale.
AIRFORCE
- Large airunits have been observed in INDIA and the USSR. Recent recon reports indicate the presence of 200+ fighters at LAE. Other than that, enemy force compositions are unknown. Due to earlier campaigns and their outcome, enemy forces should be assumed to be of high experience and morale.
ECONOMY
-Due to the conquest of resources, oil and industry centers, enemy economical situation is very strong.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
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Capt. Harlock
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RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
NAVY
- Location of enemy CV forces is unknown.
That's as worrisome as any of the other news in your assessment.
Civil war? What does that mean? Is there any foreign war? Isn't every war fought between men, between brothers?
--Victor Hugo
--Victor Hugo
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
The ground combat in Asia continues. Enemy forces are moving in on Irkutsk, while we are desperately using our airforce to inflict as many casualties as possible on his forces. It will be touch and go if we can hold Irkutsk or not. I really hope we can since it would free up too many Japanese units if we fail.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
OPERATON NATALIE
Phase 1
Neutralization of enemy airbases YANKEE PAPA and YANKEE MIKE
Capture of enemy bases DELTA and ECHO
Phase 2
Full scale invasion of primary target ALPHA ONE
Invasions of targets OSCAR BRAVO ONE, GOLF SIERRA ONE, INDIA ONE, ALPHA BRAVO ONE and OSCAR BRAVO ONE
Phase 2 cannot commence before the completion of phase 1. DELTA and ECHO must be built up to fully
operational airbases able to provide aircover for the forces to be used during phase 2.
Preliminary start-date for phase 1: October 30th 1943.
Phase 1
Neutralization of enemy airbases YANKEE PAPA and YANKEE MIKE
Capture of enemy bases DELTA and ECHO
Phase 2
Full scale invasion of primary target ALPHA ONE
Invasions of targets OSCAR BRAVO ONE, GOLF SIERRA ONE, INDIA ONE, ALPHA BRAVO ONE and OSCAR BRAVO ONE
Phase 2 cannot commence before the completion of phase 1. DELTA and ECHO must be built up to fully
operational airbases able to provide aircover for the forces to be used during phase 2.
Preliminary start-date for phase 1: October 30th 1943.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
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wernerpruckner
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RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
ORIGINAL: swift
good luck!!!
hehe, thanks.
It will be really interesting to try. Im launching Natalie in a location where he is expecting an attack, but he is not expecting exactly this type of attack. I am going to bypass the most built-up bases (Yankee papa and Yankee mike) and instead just neutralize them and land at small, undeveloped bases.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
I echo the good luck. I was thinking about taking this game over, but decided not to.
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
After a few days of looking over the map and looking at the movements of his, I have the following observations.
1) He is in a defensive posture in India. I dont think there will be any attack towards Karachi.
2) Same goes for Australia, he seems content with just defending the northern coast.
3) He is advancing towards Irkutsk. I dont know if I can hold him there. I have 5000 AV at lvl 8 forts right now, but they should be up to lvl 9 before his units arrive.
4) With the 2 month "window" I have in the pacific, I believe we can rule out any Japanese invasion attempt on my holdings. All my units are being moved to participate in Natalie, and I will use newly arrived units in the US to defend the island chain.
1) He is in a defensive posture in India. I dont think there will be any attack towards Karachi.
2) Same goes for Australia, he seems content with just defending the northern coast.
3) He is advancing towards Irkutsk. I dont know if I can hold him there. I have 5000 AV at lvl 8 forts right now, but they should be up to lvl 9 before his units arrive.
4) With the 2 month "window" I have in the pacific, I believe we can rule out any Japanese invasion attempt on my holdings. All my units are being moved to participate in Natalie, and I will use newly arrived units in the US to defend the island chain.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
There is an interesting opening in India that I dont think he has seen. By the looks of things, he is focusing his assets on defending from an attack out of Karachi. I believe it would be bloody pointless to try to break that line at Ahamabad or Lahore, I would just be throwing my forces into his lvl 9 forts.
Instead I am toying with the idea to do an invasion in southern India, and at the same time bring in an Australian division from Perth. If I time this good enough, I can sieze the base and unload the Australian division before he can react with surface forces. If I land at Trivandrum or Panaij, the terrain will also help me to defend.
I have the Indian paras coming in 52 days, that is enough time to load the Australian forces and ship them to an offshore position off India. I can use this attack in two ways. Either launch it a week or so before Natalie to try to lure him to send reinforcements to India, or I can launch it a week after Natalie, to benefit from any movements he has done to counter that offensive.
Instead I am toying with the idea to do an invasion in southern India, and at the same time bring in an Australian division from Perth. If I time this good enough, I can sieze the base and unload the Australian division before he can react with surface forces. If I land at Trivandrum or Panaij, the terrain will also help me to defend.
I have the Indian paras coming in 52 days, that is enough time to load the Australian forces and ship them to an offshore position off India. I can use this attack in two ways. Either launch it a week or so before Natalie to try to lure him to send reinforcements to India, or I can launch it a week after Natalie, to benefit from any movements he has done to counter that offensive.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
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Jim D Burns
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RE: We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. 1943
ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
that is enough time to load the Australian forces and ship them to an offshore position off India.
I would be very Leery of doing this move until I knew the location of the KB. It would be an honorable thing for your opponent to at least tell you the last Known location of the KB and mini KB as far as the allies are concerned. If he's been regularly raiding the Indian Ocean map edge all game with mini KB, that is something you should have knowledge of at this point.
You should prod your opponent or correspond with the previous allied player to find out anything you can before risking an entire division on that damn map edge of death.
Jim