AustroHungarian Naval Units Ineffective in Raiding?

[CaesarAug]

Haha!! I might just do that! Haven’t been as active here lately, other concerns. But I hope to get back and test, mod, test some more, mod some more… and play, too…

[mdsmall]

Note the images. The 4 CP ships were on station 2 turns on raid mode. 2 of them went down 2 supply because they were raiding and sinking.( Every turn a ship raids it loses 1 supply. At -5 supply it can't raid even if its turned on).
The other two are still at 10 supply because there was no more MPPs to sink.

Fascinating! How cool! But then here’s a thought: is it reasonable to think that given time, A-H units might do all the convoy raiding instead, and thus leave no more to sink for Ottoman and German units?

I think it is a function of the placement of the raiding units. The ones closest to the start of the convoy do maximum damage. If the AH and Ottoman ships in this example switched places, I believe the AH ship would sink most of the MPPs in this convoy and just one of the Ottoman ships would take care of the rest.

[OldCrowBalthazor]

Note the images. The 4 CP ships were on station 2 turns on raid mode. 2 of them went down 2 supply because they were raiding and sinking.( Every turn a ship raids it loses 1 supply. At -5 supply it can't raid even if its turned on).
The other two are still at 10 supply because there was no more MPPs to sink.

Fascinating! How cool! But then here’s a thought: is it reasonable to think that given time, A-H units might do all the convoy raiding instead, and thus leave no more to sink for Ottoman and German units?

I think it is a function of the placement of the raiding units. The ones closest to the start of the convoy do maximum damage. If the AH and Ottoman ships in this example switched places, I believe the AH ship would sink most of the MPPs in this convoy and just one of the Ottoman ships would take care of the rest.

You are correct Michael. I will demonstrate this in a future test.

[OldCrowBalthazor]

Test 3.
So a change up with the ships raiding the Greece to Cyprus (UK) was done. Greece Convoy Income was 11 MPP. The Austro-Hungarian Uboat U-5 was closes to the origin of the convoy line and sunk the entire tonnage with a loss of 11 MPPs to the UK. U-5 expended 1 pt of supply. The other ships on station did not expend supply even though on Raider Mode as there was no other convoy ships to sink.

Again this proves there is NO bug or nerf with the A.H. vessels with the latest version of this game.
Also illustrates how powerful U-boats (submarines) are to dink a convoy line as opposed to other ships.

Haven't heard a word from the OP concerning this matter. Probably busy.

Anyone else, feel free to test this or similar convoy situations yourselves.
I'm done with this test.

[HansBolter]

This doesn't just happen on the Cyprus/Greece route. It also happens on the Morocco/France route.

So, how do you explain the fact that when AH naval units are placed on a convoy route alone they have no effect?
No other nationality is beating them to the punch when they are there alone.

I would be happy to submit a saved game if I could figure out where they are hidden.
There is no saved game subfolder under the main game install folder.


ps....my rudeness was in direct response to the rudeness I was on the receiving end of. Interesting that only I got called out.....

[BillRunacre]

This doesn't just happen on the Cyprus/Greece route. It also happens on the Morocco/France route.

So, how do you explain the fact that when AH naval units are placed on a convoy route alone they have no effect?
No other nationality is beating them to the punch when they are there alone.

I would be happy to submit a saved game if I could figure out where they are hidden.
There is no saved game subfolder under the main game install folder.

Saved games can be found here: %HOMEPATH%\Documents\My Games\Strategic Command WWI\Save

My email is: bill.runacre@furysoftware.com

[HansBolter]

Bill,

My email service has a 25mb attachment limit.

I am unable to send you a saved game.

[BillRunacre]

Bill,

My email service has a 25mb attachment limit.

I am unable to send you a saved game.

Perhaps zipping it up will help?

Alternatively uploading it to Dropbox and sending me the link, or using https://wetransfer.com/

Hopefully one of these will work.

Bill

[katanatan]

This doesn't just happen on the Cyprus/Greece route. It also happens on the Morocco/France route.

So, how do you explain the fact that when AH naval units are placed on a convoy route alone they have no effect?
No other nationality is beating them to the punch when they are there alone.

I would be happy to submit a saved game if I could figure out where they are hidden.
There is no saved game subfolder under the main game install folder.


ps....my rudeness was in direct response to the rudeness I was on the receiving end of. Interesting that only I got called out.....

Bill,

My email service has a 25mb attachment limit.

I am unable to send you a saved game.

Just a wild guess judging from your previous theories.
Did you forget to put your ships in convoy raiding mode?
Seems the likeliest as AH naval units can raid for me/us.

[HansBolter]

I stated multiple times that I did not forget to put them in raid mode. The presence of the blue dot on the counter in the screenshot I provided confirms the unit is in raid mode.

[Tanaka]

Bill,

My email service has a 25mb attachment limit.

I am unable to send you a saved game.

Perhaps zipping it up will help?

Alternatively uploading it to Dropbox and sending me the link, or using https://wetransfer.com/

Hopefully one of these will work.

Bill

Hi Bill OCB directed me to this thread and I was wondering if this is an issue similar to a previous patch fix?

•Supply scripts corrected so that German vessels can also affect Italian shipping (Tanaka; Xwormwood).

[BillRunacre]

Bill,

My email service has a 25mb attachment limit.

I am unable to send you a saved game.

Perhaps zipping it up will help?

Alternatively uploading it to Dropbox and sending me the link, or using https://wetransfer.com/

Hopefully one of these will work.

Bill

Hi Bill OCB directed me to this thread and I was wondering if this is an issue similar to a previous patch fix?

•Supply scripts corrected so that German vessels can also affect Italian shipping (Tanaka; Xwormwood).

It's not, as no scripts are involved in raiding convoy lines, purely unit capabilities and settings, and they are the same for AH as everyone else.

The Supply scripts relate to when naval units are placed on red hatched areas, which are driven by scripts.